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isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jun 22 @ 11:59 PM ET
And the versatility, the Pk and PP ability, the speed...
- Jsaquella

like you said, no reason to overpay cause read is a unique asset.
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jun 23 @ 12:00 AM ET
there are teams that may want to trade for miller, hiller or phyllis diller

then there are the UFAs like backstrom and emery and CBO candidates like Lu...iow, options exist if bernier falls thru.

- isaiah520



True, (may be the first Phyllis Diller shout out here ever)

but some of those guys make a lot of $$$ & again they would be in the same boat with the cap
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jun 23 @ 12:00 AM ET
yeah, how about that, but unless they commit to better defense as a team, (and not have 5 defenseman all injured at the same time), even Bernier wont help.
- puckhead17


Yup, we do have that to worry about. So many question marks.

In Homer we Trust.

ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jun 23 @ 12:01 AM ET
yeah, how about that, but unless they commit to better defense as a team, (and not have 5 defenseman all injured at the same time), even Bernier wont help.
- puckhead17



I'm pretty sure the coach's arse is on the line if this team gets off to a slow start. He won't have much latitude in my opinion, so I would hope Lava is able to hold guys accountable if they are being deficient in the defensive zone. I don't believe Lava is dumb (did win the Cup), but stubbornness can be just about as damming as stupidity.
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jun 23 @ 12:02 AM ET
Yup, we do have that to worry about. So many question marks.

In Homer we Trust.


- wolfhounds


man thats sad, its almost looking like him sometimes
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jun 23 @ 12:03 AM ET
I'm pretty sure the coach's arse is on the line if this team gets off to a slow start. He won't have much latitude in my opinion, so I would hope Lava is able to hold guys accountable if they are being deficient in the defensive zone. I don't believe Lava is dumb (did win the Cup), but stubbornness can be just about as damming as stupidity.
- ravishingone



ask the coach the Canucks are chasing about that one
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jun 23 @ 12:03 AM ET
like you said, no reason to overpay cause read is a unique asset.
- isaiah520


Especially if we can jedi mind trick him into taking a lesser payday.

JoeyG1951
Location: Campbell River, BC
Joined: 05.23.2010

Jun 23 @ 12:04 AM ET
I'm pretty sure the coach's arse is on the line if this team gets off to a slow start. He won't have much latitude in my opinion, so I would hope Lava is able to hold guys accountable if they are being deficient in the defensive zone. I don't believe Lava is dumb (did win the Cup), but stubbornness can be just about as damming as stupidity.
- ravishingone



I think you meant "lavitude, not latitude lol
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jun 23 @ 12:05 AM ET
True, (may be the first Phyllis Diller shout out here ever)

but some of those guys make a lot of $$$ & again they would be in the same boat with the cap

- puckhead17

options are available that'll take other goalie seeking teams out of the mix. a floor team like NYI might be willing to spend more to get a guy like miller
JoeyG1951
Location: Campbell River, BC
Joined: 05.23.2010

Jun 23 @ 12:07 AM ET
I'm pretty sure the coach's arse is on the line if this team gets off to a slow start. He won't have much latitude in my opinion, so I would hope Lava is able to hold guys accountable if they are being deficient in the defensive zone. I don't believe Lava is dumb (did win the Cup), but stubbornness can be just about as damming as stupidity.
- ravishingone


Lava should have been fired but now they are saving that for this xmas instead. He is a coach will a short window of opportunity and then his effectiveness wears off. His system is why we can't get a goalie to look good.
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jun 23 @ 12:08 AM ET
options are available that'll take other goalie seeking teams out of the mix. a floor team like NYI might be willing to spend more to get a guy like miller
- isaiah520


can't wait for this cup to finish so we can get to our teams issues, situation etc
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jun 23 @ 12:11 AM ET
Lava should have been fired but now they are saving that for this xmas instead. He is a coach will a short window of opportunity and then his effectiveness wears off. His system is why we can't get a goalie to look good.
- flyerdude17


Honestly, the whole effectiveness thing I think in all sports is completely over blown (there just is a natural shelf life that goes on for most coaches). There isn't a large percentage of coaches in pretty much all 4 major sports that last over 4 years. That being written, I thought it was time for Lava to go at the end of the season, but he's back for now on a very short leash.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jun 23 @ 12:16 AM ET
can't wait for this cup to finish so we can get to our teams issues, situation etc
- puckhead17

it'll be different w/ the wave of CBOs...some which may be a surprise or come later in the CBO period after trade options are exhausted. really, a once in a lifetime off season for the NHL.
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jun 23 @ 12:18 AM ET
it'll be different w/ the wave of CBOs...some which may be a surprise or come later in the CBO period after trade options are exhausted. really, a once in a lifetime off season for the NHL.
- isaiah520


Yes!!

to understand, each team has only 2 CBO's? to use either this summer or next? & thats it moving forward?
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jun 23 @ 12:20 AM ET
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A source told me #Bruins Bergeron may have suffered a spleen injury. Team reported he was taken by ambulance for observation at nearby hosp
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jun 23 @ 12:21 AM ET
Yes!!

to understand, each team has only 2 CBO's? to use either this summer or next? & thats it moving forward?

- puckhead17

yes
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jun 23 @ 12:22 AM ET
yes
- isaiah520


thank you

but the NBA can amnesty anyone's ass every summer?
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jun 23 @ 12:27 AM ET
thank you

but the NBA can amnesty anyone's ass every summer?

- puckhead17

i haven't watched that league in over 10 yrs
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jun 23 @ 12:31 AM ET
i haven't watched that league in over 10 yrs
- isaiah520



no neither have I, but I think they can, wasn't sure.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jun 23 @ 12:36 AM ET
no neither have I, but I think they can, wasn't sure.
- puckhead17

I think football is the same way....

You can just make cuts all willy nilly and such.

Very, very faulty system there.
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jun 23 @ 12:41 AM ET
I think football is the same way....

You can just make cuts all willy nilly and such.

Very, very faulty system there.

- Giroux_Is_God


well, football has only one year contracts essentially due to non guaranteed $$$
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 23 @ 6:27 AM ET
options are available that'll take other goalie seeking teams out of the mix. a floor team like NYI might be willing to spend more to get a guy like miller
- isaiah520


Very hard for Flyers to catch up to the Islanders in the short term. Snow has put together an impressive and deep talent pool.

I believe Bryzgalov is a good NHL goal tender. I think a buy out is premature right now. They have two years for the amnesty option.

I fear, if he gets bought out, he goes to another team, like Phoenix, and becomes a Vezina contender. Worse, Snow takes him on for $2m and Bryzgalov backstops them to a first place finish. I think there is reason to be cautious. The guy can play and maybe the media could have just left him alone. Quirky goaltenders are not unusual. Thomas and Miller are pretty outspoken guys but they have not been subject to vigilante journalism. Why is everyone so keen to target this guy?
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 23 @ 8:14 AM ET
Very hard for Flyers to catch up to the Islanders in the short term. Snow has put together an impressive and deep talent pool.

I believe Bryzgalov is a good NHL goal tender. I think a buy out is premature right now. They have two years for the amnesty option.

I fear, if he gets bought out, he goes to another team, like Phoenix, and becomes a Vezina contender. Worse, Snow takes him on for $2m and Bryzgalov backstops them to a first place finish. I think there is reason to be cautious. The guy can play and maybe the media could have just left him alone. Quirky goaltenders are not unusual. Thomas and Miller are pretty outspoken guys but they have not been subject to vigilante journalism. Why is everyone so keen to target this guy?

- spatso


My views are that they should exercise the buy out now. He hasn't played consistently well enough to justify the commitment, and with the cap recapture rules, if he retires or jumps to the KHL early, the Flyers will be facing a massive cap crunch.

In the case of Miller and especially Thomas, the play has never been an issue. Thomas put up spectacular numbers in pretty much every year of his career in Boston, and Miller's been very solid as well.

Bryzgalov does not have that to lean on. He's never taken a team to a Stanley Cup or on a deep playoff run as the starter. Thomas wasn't overly popular on his team, especially by the end of his time in Boston, but his play made it a non factor. Bryzgalov has been ripped by his Phoenix teammates, and there's been the start of that in Philly as well.

One Philly columnist, Rich Hofman, made a good point. If Bryzgalov was a free agent, should the Flyers consider re-signing him? Can't worry about what he'd do on another team, only what he would do here.
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Jun 23 @ 8:48 AM ET
Buy Him OUT
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Jun 23 @ 8:48 AM ET
Buy Him OUT
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