Do you remember the 24/7 thing when they were eating and bryzgalov tried sitting with Jägr and Jägr told him to take a hike?
Not that it matters that much, there you go, that and he's inconsistent and makes too much $$$ etc
- puckhead17

that particular one might have been a goof, really

I'm okay with this. I'm also okay with the Bernier talk. another story today also:

http://www.philly.com/phi...ct__but_no_net_worth.html
- edmac812

Thank you!
Good article.
Well put

I don't make comments about you personally. I discuss the subject. Here's the bottom line. If Bryzgalov had a .925 SV% and a 2.20 GAA, and was in the top 5 in Vezina voting. The Flyers brass wouldn't give a rats ass who on the team doesn't like him. Or what asinine comments he makes to the media. That right there sums it up. It's about the contract, and whether his play warrants moving forward. And that is all it is about. It's like dejavu!

- MJL

He's just not good enough for me to tell the players and coaches to "just deal with him because he is our best chance to win."

As bill has stated, it's possible to win with a player that is not liked, but there is no question that it's harder to win when the players don't like or trust the goaltender. These aren't the early 90s Penguins. This is a young impressionable team that missed the playoffs last year.

Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Pros and Cons of Trading Meszaros
- bmeltzer

Bottom line is, does anyone have faith that Meszaros can stay healthy enough to play the role he did here in 2010-11? I don't. He's had multiple shoulder injuries, which is the real concern.

I said the same thing and you debated me?

Typical mjl
- puckhead17

LOL. What I debated you on was that Mason has been inconsistent in his career in the past. Not that I disagreed with you that Mason can be a good Goalie for the Flyers moving forward. The thread is only 3 pages long so far. Feel free to read back.

i think the bryz's/ agent's actions/interviews reveal a thinly veiled attempt to talk his way out of town. we don't even need weekly reader reporting to see that...
- isaiah520

Yes, but we still deserve quality journalism

LOL. What I debated you on was that Mason has been inconsistent in his career in the past. Not that I disagreed with you that Mason can be a good Goalie for the Flyers moving forward. The thread is only 3 pages long so far. Feel free to read back.
- MJL

I should do like all others and stay away from you

i think the bryz's/ agent's actions/interviews reveal a thinly veiled attempt to talk his way out of town. we don't even need weekly reader reporting to see that...
- isaiah520

Seriously, if Winter really wanted to convey to Flyers brass that Bryzgalov wanted out. All he would have to do is set up a meeting with Snider, Luuko, and Holmgren and tell them so. And intimate that he won't be happy as long as he is in a Flyers sweater. This idea that the Agent has to go on a media campaign to get that point across to the Flyers, is silly.

He's just not good enough for me to tell the players and coaches to "just deal with him because he is our best chance to win."

As bill has stated, it's possible to win with a player that is not liked, but there is no question that it's harder to win when the players don't like or trust the goaltender. These aren't the early 90s Penguins. This is a young impressionable team that missed the playoffs last year.
- PhillySportsGuy

exactly.

LOL. What I debated you on was that Mason has been inconsistent in his career in the past. Not that I disagreed with you that Mason can be a good Goalie for the Flyers moving forward. The thread is only 3 pages long so far. Feel free to read back.
- MJL

I think the real argument is whether Mason can be consistent. He's been incredibly inconsistent, but appears eager to start fresh with a new team. He demonstrated good play down stretch. It's a risky proposition to move forward with him as your primary goalie.

People seem to look at Mason through only the handful of games he played with the Flyers. Look at his numbers the last 3 years and they will tell a different story.

Bottom line is, does anyone have faith that Meszaros can stay healthy enough to play the role he did here in 2010-11? I don't. He's had multiple shoulder injuries, which is the real concern.
- Jsaquella

I think it's 50/50
I don't feel good about Grossmann though, 2 concussions in 2 years and he has the knees of a senior citizen.

I think it's 50/50
I don't feel good about Grossmann though, 2 concussions in 2 years and he has the knees of a senior citizen.
- puckhead17

Grossmann's condition is worrisome. After my own lengthy bout with PCS, I'm even more wary than I was before.

He's just not good enough for me to tell the players and coaches to "just deal with him because he is our best chance to win."

As bill has stated, it's possible to win with a player that is not liked, but there is no question that it's harder to win when the players don't like or trust the goaltender. These aren't the early 90s Penguins. This is a young impressionable team that missed the playoffs last year.
- PhillySportsGuy

Valid point. What it comes down to is the results in net. Hasn't been good enough. And with the risk added after the contract was signed of Cap recapture. They need to be there. And if he stays, he would have to have a phenomenal Season to convince anyone that they should fore go the last year of an available CBO, and keep him. Don't know if that is possible with the way the Flyers play.

Bah....baaaaaa
- KINGKENZO

Yeah. I know. They're all clowns until they say something you want to believe. Then they're great reporters. There is a reason people speak on condition of anonymity. And if you don't know who it is, you don't know they're reason so you have no reason to believe them. The Flyers may also be playing this game to be sure there's no backlash. It wouldn't be the first time they trashed their own guy to make themselves look like heroes of the people.

Grossmann's condition is worrisome. After my own lengthy bout with PCS, I'm even more wary than I was before.
- Jsaquella

You've experienced it?

Seriously, if Winter really wanted to convey to Flyers brass that Bryzgalov wanted out. All he would have to do is set up a meeting with Snyder, Luuko, and Holmgren and tell them so. And intimate that he won't be happy as long as he is in a Flyers sweater. This idea that the Agent has to go on a media campaign to get that point across to the Flyers, is silly.
- MJL

It would hurt Bryz chance of getting a job in the NHL if he forced the Flyers to buy him out. What team would want to hire a guy after that?

Bottom line is, does anyone have faith that Meszaros can stay healthy enough to play the role he did here in 2010-11? I don't. He's had multiple shoulder injuries, which is the real concern.
- Jsaquella

i'm more concerned about grossmann's noggin

mesz will have had a whole lot of time to rehab before training camp

I think the real argument is whether Mason can be consistent. He's been incredibly inconsistent, but appears eager to start fresh with a new team. He demonstrated good play down stretch. It's a risky proposition to move forward with him as your primary goalie.

People seem to look at Mason through only the handful of games he played with the Flyers. Look at his numbers the last 3 years and they will tell a different story.
- PhillySportsGuy

I agree. But at the same time, the talent and athletic ability is apparent. I think it's mental with him. But like you said, there is risk to handing him the reins.

He's just not good enough for me to tell the players and coaches to "just deal with him because he is our best chance to win."

As bill has stated, it's possible to win with a player that is not liked, but there is no question that it's harder to win when the players don't like or trust the goaltender. These aren't the early 90s Penguins. This is a young impressionable team that missed the playoffs last year.
- PhillySportsGuy

If Bryzgalov was playing at a Vezina level, and getting them deep in the playoffs, he could be doing whatever he pleased and he'd be tolerated.

The problem is, Bryzgalov has not played well. He's been in Philly two years, and the only consistent thing has been his inconsistency. Even if he has a Vezina caliber season in 2013-14, does anyone have a concern that he reverts to the level he's played in his first seasons here?

I do. I buy him out for his level of play versus the level of commitment the team has in him, financially. The other nonsense is immaterial, because his play hasn't been good enough.

Wow anyone who reads this and still wants the guy in town is delusional.
- edmac812

What's in that article was new to you to make you say wow?

The author recycled old news and negatively spun them.

Bryz should be bought out due to his unsustainable contract and under-performing stats, not due to his political views and alleged statement from his team mates that
no one can confirm/ deny.

He needs to be bought out after Flyers acquire another goaltender, otherwise they will rise asking price for any goaltender they might be interested in exponentially.
And I am not sure that this off season is feasible to get another keeper to share work load with Mason.

It would hurt Bryz chance of getting a job in the NHL if he forced the Flyers to buy him out. What team would want to hire a guy after that?
- PhillySportsGuy

Exactly my point. So the agent is far better off making his case privately, if he wanted out. Then to go on a media campaign to force his way out. Which would damage his worth on the open market.

I think the real argument is whether Mason can be consistent. He's been incredibly inconsistent, but appears eager to start fresh with a new team. He demonstrated good play down stretch. It's a risky proposition to move forward with him as your primary goalie.

People seem to look at Mason through only the handful of games he played with the Flyers. Look at his numbers the last 3 years and they will tell a different story.
- PhillySportsGuy

I guess none of this really matters, they're chasing Bernier for a reason.

You've experienced it?
- puckhead17

I was out of work from January to April with PCS. I took a tumble sledding with my kids and had bad dizzy spells and almost non stop headaches. I work in heights, so dizzy spells and vertigo are a major problem.

Bottom line is, does anyone have faith that Meszaros can stay healthy enough to play the role he did here in 2010-11? I don't. He's had multiple shoulder injuries, which is the real concern.
- Jsaquella

Nope, to count on Mezaros being healthy and ready to go 100% by October is just foolish. While his value is down, just getting rid of the 4 million cap hit would help. As many have pointed out, the Flames need defenseman and have a TON of cap space. I don't see any way Mez and the 41st pick will get you Calgary's 28th, but I think they could at least get Calgary's 3rd rounder (#66) for him. At this point, that is about the best you can expect to get.

If Bryzgalov was playing at a Vezina level, and getting them deep in the playoffs, he could be doing whatever he pleased and he'd be tolerated.

The problem is, Bryzgalov has not played well. He's been in Philly two years, and the only consistent thing has been his inconsistency. Even if he has a Vezina caliber season in 2013-14, does anyone have a concern that he reverts to the level he's played in his first seasons here?

I do. I buy him out for his level of play versus the level of commitment the team has in him, financially. The other nonsense is immaterial, because his play hasn't been good enough.
- Jsaquella

Bryz was actually pretty consistent last year. He was consistently average. He allowed very few soft goals, struggled on breakaways, rarely played the puck behind the net and rarely made the dreaded "momentum saves"