Ottawa will be tougher next year, once healthy. Montreal is a wildcard. It only takes a surge by one of these teams to keep us out of the playoffs. Boston and Detroit are locks, so it comes down to either knocking out Montreal or Ottawa, out of the playoffs.
- PrinceLH

Or finish 5th and knock someone out of the other division out....

I think this will make the team better. IMO Bernier is a better goalie than Reimer needs a chance to start to really show how good he can be. I just don't think Reimer has all the right tools he good but I think bernier can be great. It's not as though he stuck be hide some middle the road goalie he's stuck behind and all star and conn smythe winner in Quick. Bernier was the kings future it's just turned out Quick was way better than anyone thought and got the step on bernier.
- Yeti1181

You think he's a better goalie why??? Reimer has played as a #1, has better stats, led his team to the playoffs. reimer arguably played on a worse team the last few years, but has more wins/games played. If Bernier was surefire better he's have better stats (playing on a better team) than reimer, but he doesn't.

Agreed..... this doesn't, so don't.
- burn

You don't know that.....

Jays
- senstroll

Yeah, baby.

Reimer = Bernier is my guess.

So why give up assets for him. Is the goal to upgrade Scrivens?

You think he's a better goalie why??? Reimer has played as a #1, has better stats, led his team to the playoffs. reimer arguably played on a worse team the last few years, but has more wins/games played. If Bernier was surefire better he's have better stats (playing on a better team) than reimer, but he doesn't.
- burn

He doesn't play regularly so I think that would have an effect on him doesn't get many games in due to quick playing so much. Reimer was annotited no 1 because we dont have anyone. Hell the start of the season people were thinking Scrivens was going to take over. I think he's GOING to be better I'm basing this on looking back at his track record through junior and the Ahl. When he plays consistently he puts up extremely good numbers no reason to think he won't continue that trend.

You don't know that.....
- jribout

I don't?? How so???

Bernier and reimer same age

Reimer's numbers> bernier (on a better team)

Reimer is signed to a nice deal, Bernier is unsigned (don't know what he wants or if it's realistic)

Reimer has played as a number1 and led his team to the playoffs.

and to top it off we give up assets that we need going forward, to have him sit on the bench. Yeah, I got a good grasp on it.

He doesn't play regularly so I think that would have an effect on him doesn't get many games in due to quick playing so much. Reimer was annotited no 1 because we dont have anyone. Hell the start of the season people were thinking Scrivens was going to take over. I think he's GOING to be better I'm basing this on looking back at his track record through junior and the Ahl. When he plays consistently he puts up extremely good numbers no reason to think he won't continue that trend.
- Yeti1181

Bernier's numbers look a lot like reimer's AHL number. Reimer actually won more games/start.

I don't?? How so???

Bernier and reimer same age

Reimer's numbers> bernier (on a better team)

Reimer is signed to a nice deal, Bernier is unsigned (don't know what he wants or if it's realistic)

Reimer has played as a number1 and led his team to the playoffs.

and to top it off we give up assets that we need going forward, to have him sit on the bench. Yeah, I got a good grasp on it.
- burn

dealing for bernier makes no sense at all unless its a 3 way deal. if not, no point

I don't?? How so???

Bernier and reimer same age

Reimer's numbers> bernier (on a better team)

Reimer is signed to a nice deal, Bernier is unsigned (don't know what he wants or if it's realistic)

Reimer has played as a number1 and led his team to the playoffs.

and to top it off we give up assets that we need going forward, to have him sit on the bench. Yeah, I got a good grasp on it.
- burn

Bernier had 922 sv% 1.88 gaa And went 9-3-1 reimer Had 924 sv% And a 2.46 gaa 19-8-5. Bernier won almost 70% of the games played reimer won 60% games he played

Bernier's numbers look a lot like reimer's AHL number. Reimer actually won more games/start.
- burn

Did reimer win any championship I can't remember

Bernier had 922 sv% 1.88 gaa And went 9-3-1 reimer Had 924 sv% And a 2.46 gaa 19-8-5. Bernier won almost 70% of the games played reimer won 60% games he played
- Yeti1181

On a better team..... looks pretty similar to me. Where's the upgrade?

He doesn't play regularly so I think that would have an effect on him doesn't get many games in due to quick playing so much. Reimer was annotited no 1 because we dont have anyone. Hell the start of the season people were thinking Scrivens was going to take over. I think he's GOING to be better I'm basing this on looking back at his track record through junior and the Ahl. When he plays consistently he puts up extremely good numbers no reason to think he won't continue that trend.
- Yeti1181

More reason's to not make the deal. not making your case......

More reason's to not make the deal. not making your case......
- burn

What part doesn't make the case the more games he plays the better he is so playing very little he still putting up similar numbers the more he plays the better he gets.

On a better team..... looks pretty similar to me. Where's the upgrade?
- burn

1.88 gaa looks a lot better

Bernier had 922 sv% 1.88 gaa And went 9-3-1 reimer Had 924 sv% And a 2.46 gaa 19-8-5. Bernier won almost 70% of the games played reimer won 60% games he played
- Yeti1181

The Leafs aren't nearly as good a team as the Kings so it's hard to compare via stats alone.

Fact is, Quick has clearly been the number 1, Bernier may be very good but he is not a proven #1.

So it depends who we have to give up to get him. Nobody from the A list but a guy like Ashton or D'amigo plus 3rd rounder would be reasonable.

If we give up a Gardiner or Rielly or our first rounder there will be a Nonis revolt

More reason's to not make the deal. not making your case......
- burn

Reimer has had quite a few injuries in his short NHL career. If we can get an upgrade over Scrivens at a reasonable price then it's worth doing.

If not I think Scrivens is adequate.

Guys...

I have been... I just shat myself!

The Leafs aren't nearly as good a team as the Kings so it's hard to compare via stats alone.

Fact is, Quick has clearly been the number 1, Bernier may be very good but he is not a proven #1.

So it depends who we have to give up to get him. Nobody from the A list but a guy like Ashton or D'amigo plus 3rd rounder would be reasonable.

If we give up a Gardiner or Rielly or our first rounder there will be a Nonis revolt
- Rang

Kings were only two points better than us this year can't say they are leaps and bounds better than us, but I understand where your going. I'm not saying we should give huge amount for him I just think he will take over reimer as no 1 and Nonis must share they same view if they are looking to upgrade, let face he's not looking to solidify our back up position.

Guys...

I have been... I just shat myself!
- Tee-Dot

I have been disappointed this entire time....

Guys...

I have been... shat this whole time
- Tee-Dot

fixed

Kings were only two points better than us this year can't say they are leaps and bounds better than us, but I understand where your going. I'm not saying we should give huge amount for him I just think he will take over reimer as no 1 and Nonis must share they same view if they are looking to upgrade, let face he's not looking to solidify our back up position.
- Yeti1181

Points in a short season can be deceiving. I think the Kings are a much better team than the Leafs. They are one year removed from winning the Cup and with some luck could have beaten Chicago and been in the finals again.

But Scrivens was 7-9 on a team that was well over .500 so if we can upgrade at a reasonable cost I am all for it.

What part doesn't make the case the more games he plays the better he is so playing very little he still putting up similar numbers the more he plays the better he gets.
- Yeti1181

Um exactly.... so we trade for him and he doesn't play a a #1, and doesn't end up doing what you expect. Awesome.....


Or we do the deal and bernier ends up #1, put up reimer #s and reimer (because of alcl of playing time, re Bernier) regresses. Awesome.


Can't wait.

1.88 gaa looks a lot better
- Yeti1181

Yeah, because GAA is more a team thing than individual .924 is better.

Um exactly.... so we trade for him and he doesn't play a a #1, and doesn't end up doing what you expect. Awesome.....


Or we do the deal and bernier ends up #1, put up reimer #s and reimer (because of alcl of playing time, re Bernier) regresses. Awesome.


Can't wait.
- burn

As long as I ended be right nothing matters