Offensively he's a huge upgrade over Bozak, but value wise they are pretty close given how Bozak is better at other facets of the game
- mochoson

"Huge" is a bit of an overstatement. We're talking the difference between a 40-50 point guy and, at best a 50-60 point guy, which I think is fair considering he's never hit 50 points (and don't bother with "on pace"). Sorry, I just don't see how it makes sense to trade one of our best young defensemen to replace our first line center with another guy who's not a number one center.

Hopefully RNH turns into the player you hope him to be too!

- Cooshie

All Oilers fans do,but he does need to add some muscle.

I personally would rather sign Weiss or kick tires on Statsny, I don't necessarily disagree with you.
- mochoson

and even then, only makes sense if Grabo is gone too.

Kadri as 2C and Weiss or Stastny as 1C is great.

but Grabo and his $5.5M can't be 3C. Need a Boyd Gordon to play 3C/4C with McClement as the other.

don't see Grabo getting moved in a deal I'd like, and won't buy him out after half a bad season.

rather they stand pat with Kadri and Grabo as 1C-2C, add Gordon./Gaustad, and work on Clarkson/Horton and a top pairing defensive dman to play with Phaneuf.

Gardiner is better than all your so called "untouchables" put together? # 1st overalls and theyre all busts! J Schultz is basically like a winger, but really bad. You suck. Oiler suck. How many 1st overalls you need to be a decent hockey team? Keep rebuilding towards being terrible suckers!!!!



- pbrsimps

sure, here you go.

Crazy delusional Leaf fans =/= every Leaf fan

- Morris

Sniff,
Its beautiful!

"Huge" is a bit of an overstatement. We're talking the difference between a 40-50 point guy and, at best a 50-60 point guy, which I think is fair considering he's never hit 50 points (and don't bother with "on pace"). Sorry, I just don't see how it makes sense to trade one of our best young defensemen to replace our first line center with another guy who's not a number one center.
- Jeffmt

there's the rub...

MY God....11 pages and counting. Clouts is counting on all the stupid people to come and argue over this and sure enough....


- Iggysbff

Yet hear you are trolling and reading get a life.

Hopefully RNH turns into the player you hope him to be too!

- Cooshie

Not a doubt in my mind. His skill level is already at a high end NHL level. Hopefully his shoulder heals allright. Not sure if he will ever get 100pts per year,but a point per game is a reasonable expectation.

and even then, only makes sense if Grabo is gone too.

Kadri as 2C and Weiss or Stastny as 1C is great.

but Grabo and his $5.5M can't be 3C. Need a Boyd Gordon to play 3C/4C with McClement as the other.

don't see Grabo getting moved in a deal I'd like, and won't buy him out after half a bad season.

rather they stand pat with Kadri and Grabo as 1C-2C, add Gordon./Gaustad, and work on Clarkson/Horton and a top pairing defensive dman to play with Phaneuf.
- Big_Lightnin

Geez...your not asking alot.

cause we're kickazz
- hugefemale dog77

But seriously, I thought Nugeishuge was pretty decent until discussing gardiner with him. I was getting pretty pissed off

Dear Lord...and people say Leafs fans are delusional about their players.

Cause that's the only possible reason for anyone not to be gaga over Gardiner.
- robin_steele264

No, I thought I'd read comments from the poster before. I must have them mixed up. My apologies. Mixed up with you maybe Bob?

"Huge" is a bit of an overstatement. We're talking the difference between a 40-50 point guy and, at best a 50-60 point guy, which I think is fair considering he's never hit 50 points (and don't bother with "on pace"). Sorry, I just don't see how it makes sense to trade one of our best young defensemen to replace our first line center with another guy who's not a number one center.
- Jeffmt

It's not an understatement. I'm not trying to offend, but Gagner is definitely a better offensive player. Anyone cane compare two players on paper with stats. Watching the two of them, I'll take Gagner on the ice when I'm down a gaol over Bozak any day of the week.

This Gagner 40-50 point stuff has gotta stop. This kids gotten better every year he's been in the league. If he's healthy, I easily see him eclipsing 70 points this year.

If Bozak ever hits 60 ill be pleasantly surprised. He just doesn't have that offensive acumen Gagner has IMO

"Huge" is a bit of an overstatement. We're talking the difference between a 40-50 point guy and, at best a 50-60 point guy, which I think is fair considering he's never hit 50 points (and don't bother with "on pace"). Sorry, I just don't see how it makes sense to trade one of our best young defensemen to replace our first line center with another guy who's not a number one center.
- Jeffmt

Maybe if we don't bother with "on pace", you can retract your "at best". Sound fair?

It's not an understatement. I'm not trying to offend, but Gagner is definitely a better offensive player. Anyone cane compare two players on paper with stats. Watching the two of them, I'll take Gagner on the ice when I'm down a gaol over Bozak any day of the week.

This Gagner 40-50 point stuff has gotta stop. This kids gotten better every year he's been in the league. If he's healthy, I easily see him eclipsing 70 points this year.

If Bozak ever hits 60 ill be pleasantly surprised. He just doesn't have that offensive acumen Gagner has IMO
- mochoson

Plus Gagner will have better wingers to play with now.

and even then, only makes sense if Grabo is gone too.

Kadri as 2C and Weiss or Stastny as 1C is great.

but Grabo and his $5.5M can't be 3C. Need a Boyd Gordon to play 3C/4C with McClement as the other.

don't see Grabo getting moved in a deal I'd like, and won't buy him out after half a bad season.

rather they stand pat with Kadri and Grabo as 1C-2C, add Gordon./Gaustad, and work on Clarkson/Horton and a top pairing defensive dman to play with Phaneuf.
- Big_Lightnin

Stastny sounds like a great idea. Wait till Colorado takes MacKinnon, and then take them to the clearners!

Yet hear you are trolling and reading get a life.
- jake24242

I'm trolling?

Youre the one coming up with the absolutely ridiculous trade scenarios...

Dear Lord...and people say Leafs fans are delusional about their players.
- chip27

From a Leaf Fan;

How about Taylor Hall for Phaneuf? We get our first line center and you get your defensive leader.
- PrinceLH

So we can safely say there's delusional fans both ways.

Plus Gagner will have better wingers to play with now.
- AlEx_OiL

I think Oil should have two set pairs of Hall-RNH and Gagner-Eberle and rotate the other wingers

Not at all. I wouldnt consider myself a diehard but they are a very entertaining team to watch.

Want a trade to consider Leaf fans? Gardiner for Bjugstad
- mochoson

No. Bjugstand looks good but doesnt look like he will become a 1C by any means. We'll just stick with Colbourne as our huge center prospect with top 6 upside

I think Oil should have two set pairs of Hall-RNH and Gagner-Eberle and rotate the other wingers
- mochoson

yup,it will be interesting to see what MacT does,Oil still need one more Big top winger.

and even then, only makes sense if Grabo is gone too.

Kadri as 2C and Weiss or Stastny as 1C is great.

but Grabo and his $5.5M can't be 3C. Need a Boyd Gordon to play 3C/4C with McClement as the other.

don't see Grabo getting moved in a deal I'd like, and won't buy him out after half a bad season.

rather they stand pat with Kadri and Grabo as 1C-2C, add Gordon./Gaustad, and work on Clarkson/Horton and a top pairing defensive dman to play with Phaneuf.
- Big_Lightnin

Hey! I was thinking the same thing! Though I'm ok with gunnar playing top pairing. Would love to see scuderi signed to play with grds on 2nd pairing, lifting some pressure off the top pairing. Phauef-gunnar is a fine shutdown pairing to play 23 minutes a game. Bit more for dion, bit less for gunnar

- AlEx_OiL

Did I miss any?

I'm trolling?

Youre the one coming up with the absolutely ridiculous trade scenarios...
- Iggysbff

The rediculous trade scenarious are out of control, especially the ones Clouts and Eck talk about.
That photo Kypreos took has everyone in a fever. In all likely hood, they were making fun of Murrays lisp, or talking about Dallas Eakins, or real estate in Cabin Country or something non-trade related.

If there are two realistic players in Toronto I'm interested in, it's Kulemin and Gunnarsson. Would love to have those guys.