It's not an understatement. I'm not trying to offend, but Gagner is definitely a better offensive player. Anyone cane compare two players on paper with stats. Watching the two of them, I'll take Gagner on the ice when I'm down a gaol over Bozak any day of the week.

This Gagner 40-50 point stuff has gotta stop. This kids gotten better every year he's been in the league. If he's healthy, I easily see him eclipsing 70 points this year.

If Bozak ever hits 60 ill be pleasantly surprised. He just doesn't have that offensive acumen Gagner has IMO
- mochoson

Yeah, he's an offensive upgrade, I'm not saying he isn't. Is it a big enough upgrade though to justify giving up on Gardiner? I don't think so. I don't want to rag on Gagner, he's a good second line center, that's not what we need though.

And I didn't say Gagner is a 40-50 point guy, I said 50-60 points and I'm not going to accept that he's a 60-70 point player until I see him hit at least 50. This isn't a kid who's got 2 pro seasons under his belt, he's young but we've got a fair track record to look at now.

my idea draft scenario if edm doesnt move for immediate help;

col-jones
fla-mackinnon
tbay-drouin
Nash-barkov
car-nurse
cal-monahan
edm-nichushkin

mackinnon goes to the eastern conference. Carolina goes with a defender. calgary takes the centermen they've been looking for ten years.
we end up with the powerforward on the left side.

longshot im sure

Gardiner is our most valuable commodity and we are too high on him to move him without getting your pick in the deal

No. Bjugstand looks good but doesnt look like he will become a 1C by any means. We'll just stick with Colbourne as our huge center prospect with top 6 upside
- pbrsimps

You'll be confident with Colborne who has yet to even establish himself as an NHL player since 2008 but don't want Bjgustad, who somehow won't become a top six center after just a cup of coffee in the NHL?

Sorry bud, Bgjustad has a lot of GMs drooling with how he's developed. I'm not saying he's worth an arm and a leg, but him for Gardiner is a completely fair deal

yup,it will be interesting to see what MacT does,Oil still need one more Big top winger.
- AlEx_OiL

Why a top winger? What about a big guy that is good defensively and can chip in 18 goals and 22 assists, clean up some garbage,make room,etc? I think a "top" or expensive forward is a waste of money at this point. Far more pressing needs.

Yeah, he's an offensive upgrade, I'm not saying he isn't. Is it a big enough upgrade though, to justify giving up on Gardiner? I don't think so. I don't want to rag on Gagner, he's a good second line center, that's not what we need though.

And I didn't say Gagner is a 40-50 point guy, I said 50-60 points and I'm not going to accept that he's a 60-70 point player until I see him hit at least 50. This isn't a kid who's got 2 pro seasons under his belt, he's young but we've got a fair track record to look at now.
- Jeffmt

he's still only 23.
and if you get to use his 'record' as evidence while he was clearly still developing, then I don't think it's unfair to say he was well on pace to the numbers you say you wont accept.

If there are two realistic players in Toronto I'm interested in, it's Kulemin and Gunnarsson. Would love to have those guys.
- Morris

Yes. Kulemin is all we really need for our top six.

From a Leaf Fan;

How about Taylor Hall for Phaneuf? We get our first line center and you get your defensive leader.
- PrinceLH

So we can safely say there's delusional fans both ways.
- AlEx_OiL

Ya you guys would need to add a significant plus. That guys is pretty delusional. Make it hall plus Nuge to make it fair plus making his statement about a getting a 1C actually true

Yes. Kulemin is all we really need for our top six.
- Jeropotato

You cant have him!!

Why a top winger? What about a big guy that is good defensively and can chip in 18 goals and 22 assists, clean up some garbage,make room,etc? I think a "top" or expensive forward is a waste of money at this point. Far more pressing needs.
- Jeropotato

Give me some name's that can do all that?

Ya you guys would need to add a significant plus. That guys is pretty delusional. Make it hall plus Nuge to make it fair plus making his statement about a getting a 1C actually true
- pbrsimps

The rediculous trade scenarious are out of control, especially the ones Clouts and Eck talk about.
That photo Kypreos took has everyone in a fever. In all likely hood, they were making fun of Murrays lisp, or talking about Dallas Eakins, or real estate in Cabin Country or something non-trade related.
- Jeropotato

Ya that jake24242 douche Leaf fan is stalking me now cuz I stomped on his Phanuef for Gagner and the 7th overall proposal.

(frank) me....

Ahahahaha wait let me get this straight. Clouts, you think the Leafs are not going to sign Bozak and then trade Gardiner of all people for a marginally better version of Bozak?? Haha

It's no surprise why you're such a (frank)ing joke. You literally have nothing going for you.

my idea draft scenario if edm doesnt move for immediate help;

col-jones
fla-mackinnon
tbay-drouin
Nash-barkov
car-nurse
cal-monahan
edm-nichushkin

mackinnon goes to the eastern conference. Carolina goes with a defender. calgary takes the centermen they've been looking for ten years.
we end up with the powerforward on the left side.

longshot im sure
- hugefemale dog77

That would be sweet.
Hall-Nuge-Eberle
Nich-Gagner-Yakupov

If there are two realistic players in Toronto I'm interested in, it's Kulemin and Gunnarsson. Would love to have those guys.
- Morris

There our most underrated players and i would like to keep it that way. They would be a good fit for your team but I like them where they are
Its annoying when Leaf fans trash them though. they dont know what they are talking about.

We won't have a Happy ending to this Gagner/Gardiner trade proposal,so Clouts another trade Proposal coming?

my idea draft scenario if edm doesnt move for immediate help;

col-jones
fla-mackinnon
tbay-drouin
Nash-barkov
car-nurse
cal-monahan
edm-nichushkin

mackinnon goes to the eastern conference. Carolina goes with a defender. calgary takes the centermen they've been looking for ten years.
we end up with the powerforward on the left side.

longshot im sure
- hugefemale dog77

Very much a long shot. Carolina will not take a dman, Rutherford is not big on taking them in the 1st round.

Rutherford also said a few days ago he'll trade the pick if the guy they want is gone at 5.

COL-Mackinnon
FLA-Barkov
TB-Jones
NASH-Drouin

I think Carolina wants Barkov, and this could easily happen.

That would be sweet.
Hall-Nuge-Eberle
Nich-Gagner-Yakupov


- Morris

Triple Sweet

You cant have him!!
- pbrsimps

re-sign him or watch us poach him as a UFA. I'm dead serious, I would call Nonis day one if I were MacT, he's a perfect fit for us.

Very much a long shot. Carolina will not take a dman, Rutherford is not big on taking them in the 1st round.

Rutherford also said a few days ago he'll trade the pick if the guy they want is gone at 5.

COL-Mackinnon
FLA-Barkov
TB-Jones
NASH-Drouin

I think Carolina wants Barkov, and this could easily happen.
- mochoson

I believe Barkov will go Numero Uno or Two.

There our most underrated players and i would like to keep it that way. They would be a good fit for your team but I like them where they are
Its annoying when Leaf fans trash them though. they dont know what they are talking about.
- pbrsimps

I couldn't believe the "keep MacArthur, trade Kulemin" crowd. bonkers.

Give me some name's that can do all that?
- AlEx_OiL

Kulemin, Latendresse,..theres a few guys out there for cheap.

Ya that jake24242 douche Leaf fan is stalking me now cuz I stomped on his Phanuef for Gagner and the 7th overall proposal.

(frank) me....
- Iggysbff

he's still only 23.
and if you get to use his 'record' as evidence while he was clearly still developing, then I don't think it's unfair to say he was well on pace to the numbers you say you wont accept.
- hugefemale dog77

Kessel is a 50 goal scorer

I believe Barkov will go Numero Uno or Two.
- AlEx_OiL

I think Colorado could trade down to 3rd and still get Jones which would be a slam dunk for them.