Are you mentally handicapped?
- Jeropotato

I would rather be called Punchy like Rocky, thanks

Like I said. You usually invest fewer than 5 words on Tards. "(frank) That" or "Your a (frank)ing tool" usually do the trick.
- Jeropotato

and I'm not knocking Gagner... but he doesn't solve the problem Leafs have, he compounds it.

and Kadri was on pace for 75pts, playing less minutes
- Big_Lightnin

also playing soft minutes and with a 17% shooting percentage

Thts why try to play him in a scoring role next season to see if he can still contribute
- pbrsimps

What choice is there? You need to get what?5 Million bucks worth of production?

Not for Gags though.But I would go for Kulemin for a 2nd.
- Jeropotato

yea I said no trade here with gags or gardiner. Kulemin'd probably garner more than a 2nd

Those female engineers are hard to find!
- pbrsimps

Yup! I'm just a lonely scientist so I get some poop for that, but otherwise its all good

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Not for Gags though.But I would go for Kulemin for a 2nd.
- Jeropotato

except the leafs wouldn't sooooo....

I would rather be called Punchy like Rocky, thanks
- Byfuglien Ate Me

No problem Punchy. We're gonna stick with Dubey and probly try for a good back up, but I don't think we will pay as much as the Leafs did.

Not for Gags though.But I would go for Kulemin for a 2nd.
- Jeropotato

Pretty much fair value, but no way we do that... the Leafs have so few people who can engage like Kulemin whilst also knowing the correct end of the stick from the other, so he's pretty invaluable to us right now...

except the leafs wouldn't sooooo....
- DarcyTucker16

soooo..we continue the negotiation until they either come to agreement or decide there is no deal.What else?

also playing soft minutes and with a 17% shooting percentage
- TheNugeIsHuge

soft minutes until halfway through the year every team played their shutdown line against him... how do you think kessel had such a good 2nd half

Once again Clouts, Gardiner is not going anywhere...Unless you send back RNH which is impossible.

Everyone knows Gardiner's upside, and he went only be dealt for an actual #1 center by Toronto. He can change a game...You don't trade those away. Especially for a overrated Gagner or broken glass Hemsky.

Toronto is starting a good core around the same age...Kadri, Gardiner, and Bernier. And they have some great role talent and fill in talent. The only thing they are missing is a Selke like center in the top-six.
- LeafsNation91

oh...that's a very saddening post. This guy must be the smartest one in the leafs thread

"Gardiner? Nope. Only if RNH comes the other way. Gardiner's basically a 1st overall pick!"

also playing soft minutes and with a 17% shooting percentage
- TheNugeIsHuge

Just be the best you that you can be!

Pretty much fair value, but no way we do that... the Leafs have so few people who can engage like Kulemin whilst also knowing the correct end of the stick from the other, so he's pretty invaluable to us right now...
- lumlums

Oh,I know, I'm not trying to undervalue him. The Leafs are like the Oilers in so many ways. Not enough tradeable assets,and can ill afford to lose roster players without another in return.

oh...that's a very saddening post. This guy must be the smartest one in the leafs thread

"Gardiner? Nope. Only if RNH comes the other way. Gardiner's basically a 1st overall pick!"
- TheNugeIsHuge

its a hell of a lot closer than your writers offer of gagner for gardiner +

What choice is there? You need to get what?5 Million bucks worth of production?
- Jeropotato

Or at least enough that he has some trade value, as opposed to negative trade value now.

idk. That's kind of like saying EDM could sign ference in free agency and the difference between gardiner and ference isn't gagner.

There's no deal to be made here with gardiner and gagner. Kulemin or mcclement'd be welcomed though
- TheNugeIsHuge

No...it's not like saying that at all!
Bozak is much closer in value to Gagner then Ference is to Gardiner.

No problem Punchy. We're gonna stick with Dubey and probly try for a good back up, but I don't think we will pay as much as the Leafs did.
- Jeropotato

I don't believe anyone won that trade between Leaf and kings,I think it will take couple seasons before any of those two teams can say They were the clear winner IMO.

soft minutes until halfway through the year every team played their shutdown line against him... how do you think kessel had such a good 2nd half
- DarcyTucker16

Overall he played the 10th easiest competition among TO forwards. Kulemin played all the toughs. Even in the playoffs Kadri played the 2nd easiest minutes to Ryan Hamilton.

Eberle had the same thing last year. Soft minutes, high SH%. It doesn't last my friend

Sure, hopefully they do...
The point is that his negative value is directly tied to his salary.

No...it's not like saying that at all!
Bozak is much closer in value to Gagner then Ference is to Gardiner.
- Cooshie

I said kind of.

Also Ference is a top 4 D man on a cup contender. They're probably near equally as good at the moment.

Sure, hopefully they do...
The point is that his negative value is directly tied to his salary.
- Cooshie

Edit - responding to
"Thts why try to play him in a scoring role next season to see if he can still contribute"

I don't believe anyone won that trade between Leaf and kings,I think it will take couple seasons before any of those two teams can say They were the clear winner IMO.
- AlEx_OiL

Maybe. Doesn't really matter as all I'm saying is that we wont be spending anywhere near that on a back up for Dubey.

its a hell of a lot closer than your writers offer of gagner for gardiner +
- DarcyTucker16

THAT's a hell of a lot closer than Gardiner for RNH? Reaaaally? Just when I thought the leaf fans on this thread couldn't get any dumber.

Please leafs fans. Return to your thread. We will not even mention Gardiner here ever again. He's worth more than Mackinnon at the moment.