Gardiner's (frank)ing criminally overrated. This blog was nonsense. But Gagner is a proven NHLer. Gardiner has proven jacksh*t. One good playoff series and the hockey world thinks he's a top 3 pick for (frank) sakes
- TheNugeIsHuge

All prospects are overrated if your comparing them to proven NHLers. I guess you believe Klefbom is not even close to worth a proven NHLer like Liles? Of course you don't, because Klefbom is your prospect.

No one is saying Gardiner is guaranteed or is worth Jones or Drouin in a trade but no way are the Leafs going to trade Gardiner and Reimer for a small 2nd line center man.

Gardnier for ganger would be bad for the leafs, and im a sabres fan so im not being biased.

I wouldn't say Edmonton loses that deal at all.
- Oneonta Penguin

well considering that we don't need another goalie and that we upgrade on D, but lose our 2C with no one to replace him, then yes. we lose the deal.

or were you not able to follow his train of thought?

I wouldn't say Edmonton loses that deal at all.
- Oneonta Penguin

I don't think we lose that deal, AND I don't think it's a good deal for us either. Why trade away depth at Centre and defense??

Good thing this trade will never happen in a million years.

He could be, he's got the potential, that's the point. Gagner's top potential is a decent 2nd line player. I think the potential on Gardiner's side and Gagner's proven history really does bring their value with a similar range.
- Nastradamus

Gagner was just 16th in C scoring at 24. So you're saying the best he'll turn into is a top 60 C in the league?

Jeez. Again, leafs fans at their best.

I wouldn't say Edmonton loses that deal at all.
- Oneonta Penguin

You should try drinking draino....

Honestly I take Gardiner if it was a 1 for 1 swap, I'd risk it.
- oilers2k14

Well obviously it make sense to give up an expendable, but dependable forward, for the potential that Gardiner has, it would be a medium risk/high potential trade off.

Gardnier for ganger would be bad for the leafs, and im a sabres fan so im not being biased.
- Djtyczy

yea it would be bad for the leafs because they have no D depth. Doesn't mean that's fair value for EDM.

Not a chance I deal Gags for Gardiner

Gagner at 5'10 is more physical than Gardiner at 6'0.

Let's stop bringing up Gardiner people. TO fans obviously think he's the next big thing.
- TheNugeIsHuge

Bigger than Klefbom? I still think he'd be a good add for the Oilers. Maybe not for Gagner but he's got talent, just needs the ice time.

Everyone is obsessed with rough and tumble players who can't play hockey.
- Reveen

See how quickly they change their story if Chicago wins tomorrow night.

Well obviously it make sense to give up an expendable, but dependable forward, for the potential that Gardiner has, it would be a medium risk/high potential trade off.
- Nastradamus

high risk/medium reward in gardiner or a low risk/medium reward in Gagner.

There ya go

Gagner was just 16th in C scoring at 24. So you're saying the best he'll turn into is a top 60 C in the league?

Jeez. Again, leafs fans at their best.
- TheNugeIsHuge

Hey man I've seen Gagner play, and I know what expectations even Oilers fans have of him, so if you're going to sit here and argue with me that he's likely going to be a top 10 centre in the league, then we're likely on different pages. I won't disagree that Gagner had a good season, I just know aside from this shortened season I've seen erratic performances from him

All prospects are overrated if your comparing them to proven NHLers. I guess you believe Klefbom is not even close to worth a proven NHLer like Liles? Of course you don't, because Klefbom is your prospect.

No one is saying Gardiner is guaranteed or is worth Jones or Drouin in a trade but no way are the Leafs going to trade Gardiner and Reimer for a small 2nd line center man.
- Steven_Dean

Liles is a #6 D man on a weak defensive core. I'm better than him.


Again. 16th in C scoring at 24. Somehow smart leafs fans see that as topping out as a 2nd line C

Well obviously it make sense to give up an expendable, but dependable forward, for the potential that Gardiner has, it would be a medium risk/high potential trade off.
- Nastradamus

Two points.

1) Gagner isn't expendable. At least right now with Nuge on the shelf and Belanger and Horcoff unlikely to be back.
2) Evaluating Gagner's value still involves evaluating his potential too. He's young and still has lots of room for growth.

But I don't think any such trade will get anywhere close to happening.

high risk/medium reward in gardiner or a low risk/medium reward in Gagner.

There ya go
- TheNugeIsHuge

Whatever dude. For both our sakes I hope the Oiler's keep Gagner

Hey man I've seen Gagner play, and I know what expectations even Oilers fans have of him, so if you're going to sit here and argue with me that he's likely going to be a top 10 centre in the league, then we're likely on different pages. I won't disagree that Gagner had a good season, I just know aside from this shortened season I've seen erratic performances from him
- Nastradamus

no way he'll be a top 10 C. Don't recall saying that. You're imaging what I'm saying as well as imagining Gardiner's worth

Two points.

1) Gagner isn't expendable. At least right now with Nuge on the shelf and Belanger and Horcoff unlikely to be back.
2) Evaluating Gagner's value still involves evaluating his potential too. He's young and still has lots of room for growth.

But I don't think any such trade will get anywhere close to happening.
- Morris

I don't disagree Gagner still has time and space to grow, I just am sceptical of how high his max potential is. And your right, but I meant relatively expendable big picture wise.

Richard Cloutier: Gagner Turning Over a New Leaf?
- Maxbone

So there's where I'll leave it: Gardiner and Reimer for Gagner and ?...Perhaps Nick Schultz.

Are you (frank)ing sh!tting me bud? You should be fired, this is ridiculous, what public school lunch room did you overhear that in?

Joke, why people keep reading this sh1t is just silly, your best to not writing anything at all..

SMH

asinine

Go away and let hockeybuzz find a new Oilers blogger

Whatever dude. For both our sakes I hope the Oiler's keep Gagner
- Nastradamus

I'd trade Gagner for a guy like Hjalmarsson. #3 D man on the likely cup winning team. Proven commodity. Gardiner could be a #5 D man for all we know. Gagner's already a great 2C and could be a fringe 1C

Two points.

1) Gagner isn't expendable. At least right now with Nuge on the shelf and Belanger and Horcoff unlikely to be back.
2) Evaluating Gagner's value still involves evaluating his potential too. He's young and still has lots of room for growth.

But I don't think any such trade will get anywhere close to happening.
- Morris

gagner is one year older than gardiner. but of course he's maxed out in potential, while gardiner still has tons of developing to do.

Liles is a #6 D man on a weak defensive core. I'm better than him.


Again. 16th in C scoring at 24. Somehow smart leafs fans see that as topping out as a 2nd line C
- TheNugeIsHuge

So then keep him if hes that good, end of story

Gagner is not getting moved.
Now a new Blog Clouts.

no way he'll be a top 10 C. Don't recall saying that. You're imaging what I'm saying as well as imagining Gardiner's worth
- TheNugeIsHuge

Hey, you said he was top 16 in the NHL season, and had room to grow, since he had a lot of potential. I'm not imagining things, just using logic. Not imagining Gardiner's trade value either, you're the same person that accused Leafs fans of being huge fans of Gardiner after a good playoff series, but overlooked the fact that he had a stellar season last season, and actually didn't have that great of a impressive playoff series (Good, not great)

So then keep him if hes that good, end of story
- PinkSock

Exactly

I'd trade Gagner for a guy like Hjalmarsson. #3 D man on the likely cup winning team. Proven commodity. Gardiner could be a #5 D man for all we know. Gagner's already a great 2C and could be a fringe 1C
- TheNugeIsHuge

I`m glad your not the GM.