devan dubnyk - 2.57 GAA, 921 SV%

ryan miller - 2.81 GAA, 915 SV%


im not interested in wasting time on who the better goalie is. I believe that miller at present has proven more, and thus must be.

but no matter how you look at it, dubnyk did in fact have better numbers last year
- hugefemale dog77

Miller is and always will be better than Dubnyk. Let's not kid ourselves. Miller is stuck on an awful team. IF you took both goalies and swapped them, Buffalo picks 1st and Edmonton probably makes the postseason. Miller won 5 games while facing 40+ shots this season, more than anyone in the league. If he had any type of support from our special teams, or in the puck possession category, we make the playoffs

Come on, I thought my idea to trade Vanek to the Hurricanes along with the 8th pick for the 5th pick was more interesting and realistic. Some Sabres fans ask for too much, I am told I ask for too little. The 8th pick will be a good player, but elite? Not too sure.

Then, use one of our many 2nds to move up a few spots from 16 and get another solid pick. 2, hopefully, solid 1sts last year and even better ones this year. That would be a strong part of a rebuild.

No need to be sorry, we didn't come up with the idea. We think it's just as ridiculous as you do.
- LetsGoBuffalo75

Ok, good to know. I didn't read every page, and just looked at the first few pages before posting. Didn't see anyone laughing at the proposal, so I just assumed that people didn't find it ridiculous. Good to know that people either aren't reading the actual blogs, or just ignore the content entirely.

Miller needs to be traded so Garth can stop with the MILLER blogs.

The top scoring comes from the sh*tty goaltending.

Quick, Rinne, Kipper, Bobrovsky(vezina winner), Niemi, Fasth, Schneider, Lehtonen all a lot harder to beat than Lindback, Bryzgalov, Theodore, current Brodeur, Pavelec, .905 Price, Ellis, and Fleury.

Does that make the top scorers in the west more impressive? Would Hall have been higher than 9th in scoring if he was in the east? Probably
- TheNugeIsHuge

What does it matter? it seems pretty obvious that GMs prefer relatively unknown potential or bask in the glory days of one time superstars, rather than the average to above average goaltending they already have.

GMs try to outsmart everyone else. if the GM of stl or edmonton or NYI or whoever thinks that they are better goaltending away from competing they will do something stupid to get it done.

No way you get Oshie AND a first for Miller. No way no how. Tarasenko is untouchable because he's cost controlled and showed early on that he can light it up. Value wise, i think the rumored trade of Halak and Russell is something closer to what you might get value wise based on Miller's play. Halak has been solid for the Blues when healthy, and Russell can be a 2nd pair guy that just got lost in the Blues d-man depth.

Outside of that, not sure what else you could get. MAYBE something like Sobotka and a goalie. No way the Blues deal a forward for Miller without the package also including Halak or Elliott. And no way do they deal NEXT years first for Miller. Blues have a goalie surplus. They MAY buy out Elliott, but i'd think he'd have at least some value after his past 2 years. They also have Jake Allen, and if Miller is coming here, Halak and Elliott go IMO.

Come on, I thought my idea to trade Vanek to the Hurricanes along with the 8th pick for the 5th pick was more interesting and realistic. Some Sabres fans ask for too much, I am told I ask for too little. The 8th pick will be a good player, but elite? Not too sure.

Then, use one of our many 2nds to move up a few spots from 16 and get another solid pick. 2, hopefully, solid 1sts last year and even better ones this year. That would be a strong part of a rebuild.
- GilPerreault11

Vanek and the 8th for the 5th pick is brutal. 3 spots for a 2x 40 goal scorer?

Is this thread a joke?
St. Louis does not need a goalie.
St. Louis is not trading Oshie.
Miller would not get Oshie in return.
Garth loves page hits.
- FLflames34

WE KNOW. BLAME GARTH.

The thread isn't the joke here, the main blog itself is.

Is this thread a joke?
St. Louis does not need a goalie.
St. Louis is not trading Oshie.
Miller would not get Oshie in return.
Garth loves page hits.
- FLflames34

st louis' goaltending was insane last year. at one point unbeatable at one point couldnt stop squat. wouldnt be surprised if they tried to trade for a goalie

No way you get Oshie AND a first for Miller. No way no how. Tarasenko is untouchable because he's cost controlled and showed early on that he can light it up. Value wise, i think the rumored trade of Halak and Russell is something closer to what you might get value wise based on Miller's play. Halak has been solid for the Blues when healthy, and Russell can be a 2nd pair guy that just got lost in the Blues d-man depth.

Outside of that, not sure what else you could get. MAYBE something like Sobotka and a goalie. No way the Blues deal a forward for Miller without the package also including Halak or Elliott. And no way do they deal NEXT years first for Miller. Blues have a goalie surplus. They MAY buy out Elliott, but i'd think he'd have at least some value after his past 2 years. They also have Jake Allen, and if Miller is coming here, Halak and Elliott go IMO.
- jpl0219

I wish we could get Berglund... Signed 1 year extension today, though.

Miller is and always will be better than Dubnyk. Let's not kid ourselves. Miller is stuck on an awful team. IF you took both goalies and swapped them, Buffalo picks 1st and Edmonton probably makes the postseason. Miller won 5 games while facing 40+ shots this season, more than anyone in the league. If he had any type of support from our special teams, or in the puck possession category, we make the playoffs
- OneKaneOneCup

This I don't get. How is it that Miller makes EDM a playoff team n BUF 8th last? Do you guys not know that Jeff Petry is EDM's #1 D man?

EDM allowed .5 less shots against per game. The "miller gets peppered" argument does not work.

BUF was last in possession. EDM was 3rd last. Miller would have had near the same stats n the teams'd be in the exact same positions don't be ignorant

This I don't get. How is it that Miller makes EDM a playoff team n BUF 8th last? Do you guys not know that Jeff Petry is EDM's #1 D man?

EDM allowed .5 less shots against per game. The "miller gets peppered" argument does not work.

BUF was last in possession. EDM was 3rd last. Miller would have had near the same stats n the teams'd be in the exact same positions don't be ignorant
- TheNugeIsHuge

You simply have a better roster.

What does it matter? it seems pretty obvious that GMs prefer relatively unknown potential or bask in the glory days of one time superstars, rather than the average to above average goaltending they already have.

GMs try to outsmart everyone else. if the GM of stl or edmonton or NYI or whoever thinks that they are better goaltending away from competing they will do something stupid to get it done.
- robz228

Ask leafs fans. Gagner's proven to be a near 50P guy every year. Gardiner has played 1 full season. Who has more value?

You simply have a better roster.
- LetsGoBuffalo75

EDM's defence is abysmal!!!

I love how this has turned into who has a WORSE defence debate between buffalo, edmonton and Colorado fans!

corey potter.
- hugefemale dog77

Lmao it is quite the argument too! Each team is such a strong contender lol. Edm might have the edge though now that I think of it.

I will say Zanon is the worst Dman I have ever seen and it is insane that Hunwick ended the year with the most ice time on the team. It's was the avs secret recipe for Mckinnon lmao.

As far as miller, buffalo will get a good return for him for a team trying to win in the next few years. However for what, hell if I know.

Ok, good to know. I didn't read every page, and just looked at the first few pages before posting. Didn't see anyone laughing at the proposal, so I just assumed that people didn't find it ridiculous. Good to know that people either aren't reading the actual blogs, or just ignore the content entirely.
- carcus

Garth vomits out more words every couple hours, adds them to the blog, then changes the title and pic. Hence no comments on the first few pages.

Sabres fans overvalue their players, as we all do... but this blogger is well beyond where most Sabres fans are, as you can tell if you read through all the comments on just about any of his dribble.

Vanek and the 8th for the 5th pick is brutal. 3 spots for a 2x 40 goal scorer?
- OneKaneOneCup

Good luck getting an elite player by trading him in another deal. Maybe you get a trade like Pominville'. A 3rd string goalie who might be a solid backup, a 3rd line center, a 1st round pick, nice spot at 16 and maybe another 2nd round pick. The sabres are going to be rock solid on their 3rd and 4th lines, like Darcy is good at doing, but Stanley Cup winners are led by elite players, not nice players.

No way you get Oshie AND a first for Miller. No way no how. Tarasenko is untouchable because he's cost controlled and showed early on that he can light it up. Value wise, i think the rumored trade of Halak and Russell is something closer to what you might get value wise based on Miller's play. Halak has been solid for the Blues when healthy, and Russell can be a 2nd pair guy that just got lost in the Blues d-man depth.

Outside of that, not sure what else you could get. MAYBE something like Sobotka and a goalie. No way the Blues deal a forward for Miller without the package also including Halak or Elliott. And no way do they deal NEXT years first for Miller. Blues have a goalie surplus. They MAY buy out Elliott, but i'd think he'd have at least some value after his past 2 years. They also have Jake Allen, and if Miller is coming here, Halak and Elliott go IMO.
- jpl0219

what'd it take for EDM to pry away Sobotka? That guy is great.

EDM's defence is abysmal!!!
- TheNugeIsHuge

As is ours. Even if our D was somehow not worse, you guys destroy us with forwards. That area isn't even close. We have guys like Gerbe and Ott as 1st liners at times.

Ask leafs fans. Gagner's proven to be a near 50P guy every year. Gardiner has played 1 full season. Who has more value?
- TheNugeIsHuge

I'd take Gardiner. He played excellently in this years playoffs.

Ganger is a small center who is bad at faceoffs who will also be payed around 4.5 mil which is too many negatives for me to go for.

As far as scoring points, well on the oilers he should be doing that.

This I don't get. How is it that Miller makes EDM a playoff team n BUF 8th last? Do you guys not know that Jeff Petry is EDM's #1 D man?

EDM allowed .5 less shots against per game. The "miller gets peppered" argument does not work.

BUF was last in possession. EDM was 3rd last. Miller would have had near the same stats n the teams'd be in the exact same positions don't be ignorant
- TheNugeIsHuge

It is more than just your defensemen. Our forwards were brutal defensively. Cody Hodgson our number 1 center was the 10th worst defensive forward in the NHL, Tyler Ennis was ranked our best defensive forward after the analysis was done, thats a joke in itself. I watched a good 10 EDM games this year, you guys fail in comparison as far as defensive lapses.

Miller is and always will be better than Dubnyk. Let's not kid ourselves. Miller is stuck on an awful team. IF you took both goalies and swapped them, Buffalo picks 1st and Edmonton probably makes the postseason. Miller won 5 games while facing 40+ shots this season, more than anyone in the league. If he had any type of support from our special teams, or in the puck possession category, we make the playoffs
- OneKaneOneCup

I don't agree with at all. I don't think we make the playoffs with lundqvist.
and conjecture doesn't really strengthen your argument anyways. neither does it mine.

we don't need miller at his price tag, his free agent status, nor for the price he'd cost.
simple as that

st louis' goaltending was insane last year. at one point unbeatable at one point couldnt stop squat. wouldnt be surprised if they tried to trade for a goalie
- robz228

Yeah, you are correct.......and I think it's safe to say that the Blues aren't totally satisfied with the Halak/Elliott combo. Trading for Miller is definitely a possibility......but Garth is smoking crack with his suggestions!

As is ours. Even if our D was somehow not worse, you guys destroy us with forwards. That area isn't even close. We have guys like Gerbe and Ott as 1st liners at times.
- LetsGoBuffalo75

but the bottom 6 isn't NHL quality. EDM dominates games when Hall-Nuge-Eberle are on, but when they're off it's a slaughter. EDM had the 5th least SF/G so the offense didn't help with no backend

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