u dont have a goalie
- hubie

Fans & Managment are ready to roll on Steve Mason for the long haul. We need a stopgap, not to blow our assets more than we need in net for now.

You people are unbelievable. Ryan Miller is continually at or near the top of the league in even strength save pctg, which most advanced statisticians believe is the best indicator of a goalie's ability. His GAA was unter 2.00 over the final 30gms of the season last year, and most importantly, the Sabres can retain a large portion of his salary in any deal, making him an affordable, accomplished goalie in a market with no similar options. Get a grip.
- truthbluth

The fact that he can walk after a year is one of the main reasons he won't fetch as much as some think

wanna talk stats? Ryan Miller has been a .500 goalie with mediocre to lousy GAA and SV% the past 3 years. he's about to turn 33 years old and will likely see his play slip over the next 3-4 years. if you think one isolated statistic trumps all of this detailed mediocrity, ok. but i guarantee you that other GMs base a goalie's value on his overall performance.
- scotch_tape

Do you think any GM in the NHL looks at GAA?

I can't imagine philly overpaying for a goalie.
- jc-13

Again, what the hell are you talking about? Inconsistent?
- truthbluth

yes, inconsistent. he scored 15 points in his first 6 games this year, 21 points in his final 32 games (a mediocre 53-point pace). that is not consistent productivity.

Fans & Managment are ready to roll on Steve Mason for the long haul. We need a stopgap, not to blow our assets more than we need in net for now.
- flyler

I honestly really like Mason jsut needed a change of scenery

Do you think any GM in the NHL looks at GAA?
- OneKaneOneCup

um, yes. a lot more than they look at even strength sv %. GMs aren't interested in goalies who make lots of saves. they want goalies who give up few goals.

yes, inconsistent. he scored 15 points in his first 6 games this year, 21 points in his final 32 games (a mediocre 53-point pace). that is not consistent productivity.
- scotch_tape

Very inconsistent. He's the best player in the world for 10 games at a time, the. An average one for 20

um, yes. a lot more than they look at even strength sv %. GMs aren't interested in goalies who make lots of saves. they want goalies who give up few goals.
- scotch_tape

That's just flat out wrong.

um, yes. a lot more than they look at even strength sv %. GMs aren't interested in goalies who make lots of saves. they want goalies who give up few goals.
- scotch_tape

you dont think there is a correlation between style of play and gaa?

turns 33 july 17th, very limited playoff success, bit of a headcase.
- flyerscup2011

Playoffs
GP 47
W 25
L 22
Min. 2946
GA 121
SO 3
GAA 2.46
S% .917

Miller plays on a bad team that turns the puckover all the time in his own zone... Put him on any playoff team and he is a huge difference maker...

wanna talk stats? Ryan Miller has been a .500 goalie with mediocre to lousy GAA and SV% the past 3 years. he's about to turn 33 years old and will likely see his play slip over the next 3-4 years. if you think one isolated statistic trumps all of this detailed mediocrity, ok. but i guarantee you that other GMs base a goalie's value on his overall performance.
- scotch_tape

Ignorance. Do you think that GMs look at Ryan Miller GAA the last two seasons an see it rise from 2.55 to 2.81 and think, "boy, Ryan's really slipping," huh? Or, do you think they give it more than a cursory glance and say, wow, his sv% stayed the same. Maybe because the worst defense in the NHL allowed the most shots in the NHL and Ryan was the only thing keeping the Sabres in most games. The reason that even strength sv% is valued over most other stats is that it gives you an idea, (note, not a precise measure, but an idea) of how a goalie performs when his defense is doing their job. The intuition being that a team on the penalty kill plays similarly to a team with a defense not doing their job. So, Ryan's Even Strength SV% has been basically the same every year of his career. Which means he's not slipping. It's just that the last three years have seen some of the worst defensive play in the league in front of him.

Playoffs
GP 47
W 25
L 22
Min. 2946
GA 121
SO 3
GAA 2.46
S% .917
- cabin

meh, doesn't wow me. when was the last time he made it out of the 1st round?

um, yes. a lot more than they look at even strength sv %. GMs aren't interested in goalies who make lots of saves. they want goalies who give up few goals.
- scotch_tape

Doesn't that just mean they're looking for defense? A goalie who doesn't make a lot of saves and gives up few goals has a strong defense in front.

Luongo to Philly is set according to Ek.

Interesting..

Miller has little value on the trade market. i wouldn't expect any package for him to eclipse what LA got for Bernier. no point in dealing him unless the Sabres just want to move on from him.
- scotch_tape

What? They would lose him to FA next year if they dont try and move him.

Luongo to Philly is set according to Ek.

Interesting..
- Beezer33

did you hear something different?

Guys, can we not just all agree that Miller sucks?

He ain't worth near what u would think. Its a buyers market still for goalies
- camby

I agree, I also think that NHL scouts are more aware of talent outside the NHL than ever before. We could see another Viktor Fasth or two

The fact that he can walk after a year is one of the main reasons he won't fetch as much as some think
- Vukota

Guys at the trade deadline get massive overpayments for 14 games and hopeful playoffs..

I am pretty sure that Miller is not just gonna fetch a 2nd rounder..

Buffalo hasn't been able to put a solid defense or whole team in front of him in years. The last time we had a solid team in front of him we were 1 game from the SCF's until we lost 3 top D-Men.

You put Miller on a contending team right now and I guarantee he carries them to at least the second round of the playoffs.

My guess is either a pick in the 11-18 range plus a low roster player or a high but not top prospect...

or a 1st in the 18-25 range plus a top prospect.

Luongo to Philly is set according to Ek.

Interesting..
- Beezer33

He said "not by trade". What other way is there besides Vancouver buying him out?

Luongo to Philly is set according to Ek.

Interesting..
- Beezer33

Yeah, interesting. "Not by trade." Which, as far as I can tell, is meaningless. Also good to note that anything Ek reports is essentially guaranteed to not be true, so Miller to Philly still seems likely.

Luongo to Philly is set according to Ek.

Interesting..
- Beezer33

i could see it

um, yes. a lot more than they look at even strength sv %. GMs aren't interested in goalies who make lots of saves. they want goalies who give up few goals.
- scotch_tape

I almost responded to have a regular conversation with you... but hten I realized you are "scotch tape"... and I remember that you just like to troll...