schneider could win the vezina as early as next season. He needs to work on the mental side of the game a bit, but he's a top 5 goalie in the league, there's no scenario where Varlamov will be that
- TheNugeIsHuge

I would bet 100 dollars Schneider never wins the Vezina. Cloutier part 2, except without the 80s mask.

Varly could be top 10 with an improved D. I saw what he did with the Caps in the playoffs a cpl yrs ago. He has game.

I would bet 100 dollars Schneider never wins the Vezina. Cloutier part 2, except without the 80s mask.

Varly could be top 10 with an improved D. I saw what he did with the Caps in the playoffs a cpl yrs ago. He has game.
- FLflames34

Yak was completely misused last year. Was a shame, I love his play. Which is why Flames fans spilling sour grapes about Nich (if he falls to 6) should not be picked because he is a ....gasp....Russian

I still rank your prized peeps as follows:
Eberle
RNH
Schultz
Yak
Hall

I would trade Hall when the bell tolls and one has to go.
- FLflames34

Hall was just 9th in scoring with a career low in SH%, and missed 3 games. You must LOVE the other oilers if they're gonna be better than him lol.
For me it's
Hall
RNH
Yak
Eberle-Schultz are reversible

His playoff history is way too small of a sample size. Throughout his regular season career so far he's been stellar. As Nuge mentioned, save percentage is the best measurement of a goalie's ability and his has been right up there for years now.



I agree with the EDM fans here that goaltending isn't their biggest concern at all.
- Nucker101

EDM biggest concern is they picked the wrong vets to sprinkle around the kids. Smyth, Belanger, Fistric, Whitney, Horcoff.
Replace the two Dmen with better ppl, buyout Horcoff, and let Smyth and Belanger see the pressbox next yr. Then, Dubnyk would be able to show what he can do.

Hall was just 9th in scoring with a career low in SH%, and missed 3 games. You must LOVE the other oilers if they're gonna be better than him lol.
For me it's
Hall
RNH
Yak
Eberle-Schultz are reversible
- TheNugeIsHuge

FLflames clearly isn't a big numbers guy, and that's cool but it's harder to take anyone's opinion seriously if you don't use facts to back them up.

EDM biggest concern is they picked the wrong vets to sprinkle around the kids. Smyth, Belanger, Fistric, Whitney, Horcoff.
Replace the two Dmen with better ppl, buyout Horcoff, and let Smyth and Belanger see the pressbox next yr. Then, Dubnyk would be able to show what he can do.
- FLflames34

This I can agree with. They need better veteran players and better d-men.

EDM biggest concern is they picked the wrong vets to sprinkle around the kids. Smyth, Belanger, Fistric, Whitney, Horcoff.
Replace the two Dmen with better ppl, buyout Horcoff, and let Smyth and Belanger see the pressbox next yr. Then, Dubnyk would be able to show what he can do.
- FLflames34

Exactly. Finally a fan outside of the Edmonton fanbase that gets it!

Hall was just 9th in scoring with a career low in SH%, and missed 3 games. You must LOVE the other oilers if they're gonna be better than him lol.
For me it's
Hall
RNH
Yak
Eberle-Schultz are reversible
- TheNugeIsHuge

I just don't like Hall. He is going to have to stop trying to play tough guy. Otherwise, he will get injured badly, and will be the definition of depreciating assets.

If he played more like Gretz and less like OV8, then I would have him 2nd behind Eberle.

I would trade Sven, Backlund and a 1st for Eberle.

I would bet 100 dollars Schneider never wins the Vezina. Cloutier part 2, except without the 80s mask.

Varly could be top 10 with an improved D. I saw what he did with the Caps in the playoffs a cpl yrs ago. He has game.
- FLflames34

A) I don't think anybody thought Cloutier was going to be a star. He was below average for all but one season. Schneider has been elite for most of his seasons. It kills me to say it, but he could win more than 1 vezina in his career.

B) Do you feel the same way about Dubnyk? Just had a .921 facing the 2nd most SA/G in the league. Varlamov just had a .903 against the 6th most SA/G in the league.

no this is measured when Eberle and Hall were on the same line, they're possession was around 55%.

When hall was without eberle, and when eberle was without hall, their line's possession was 43%. Not twisting anything. It's chemistry
- TheNugeIsHuge

hartakainen had a better percentage with the nuge than ebs did. hence the big winger going to the net?
hall and gags had solid numbers together as well, yakupov had no statistics at all with the nuge (<9 games I guess) and prv had the best numbers of all alongside eberle.

very convoluted and I don't think its proven anything other than we don't know how good a hall, yaks, gags line can be long term. (bet we get a chance to find out though next season). and we know nuge plays well alongside bigger guys (hartakainen-hall) and that with our mediocre team last year our best 3 players were our best line...that we played a lot anyways.

tell that to patty kane. his OZS was 70.9% in the playoffs, he doesn't hit, he's not good in his own end, he doesn't play PK (gags does). His job is just to produce, and his team just won the cup n he just won conn smythe
- TheNugeIsHuge

Kane is a 1st line winger (not center, big difference) who is one of the most skilled in the game. He has 4 seasons over 70 pts and one 88 pts season as well is a PPG in the playoffs which is insane. Kane is an amazing player and I am willing to bet that his Corsi is far better than Ganger as well.

Kane is an elite scorer, Ganger is not. Also the difference between a winger and a center is huge.

Comparing Ganger to Kane is inaccurate and is a facile argument.

GARTH: Max Value
- garth

I hate to break it to you but Miller is very overrated and has a crummy attitude. Quit pretending like he's gods gift to goaltending....Oshie and a 1st....maybe if Milbury was still a GM

Please stop....I'm begging you.

I just don't like Hall. He is going to have to stop trying to play tough guy. Otherwise, he will get injured badly, and will be the definition of depreciating assets.

If he played more like Gretz and less like OV8, then I would have him 2nd behind Eberle.

I would trade Sven, Backlund and a 1st for Eberle.
- FLflames34

Hall's toned down his reckless play. He missed 3 games this year courtesy of a 2 game suspension, and avoiding playing MIN, where they'd likely retaliate.

Eberle had 1 good season where he played soft minutes and had a high SH%. See: Nazem Kadri. He's my 2nd favourite to Nuge on the team, but I doubt he hits 70 again, and he's definitely not better than Hall.

I consider Hall to be equal to Tavares.

A) I don't think anybody thought Cloutier was going to be a star. He was below average for all but one season. Schneider has been elite for most of his seasons. It kills me to say it, but he could win more than 1 vezina in his career.

B) Do you feel the same way about Dubnyk? Just had a .921 facing the 2nd most SA/G in the league. Varlamov just had a .903 against the 6th most SA/G in the league.
- TheNugeIsHuge

I was comparing to Clout for mentality, not skill. Both had the fear of failure epidemic.

As for Dubnyk, see above. Do a street cleaner with the vets and I think he would be a good Fuhr type. Never best in the league, but above avg and reliable.

Kane is a 1st line winger (not center, big difference) who is one of the most skilled in the game. He has 4 seasons over 70 pts and one 88 pts season as well is a PPG in the playoffs which is insane. Kane is an amazing player and I am willing to bet that his Corsi is far better than Ganger as well.

Kane is an elite scorer, Ganger is not. Also the difference between a winger and a center is huge.

Comparing Ganger to Kane is inaccurate and is a facile argument.
- Meeqsb

your argument was that he's too one dimensional and you can't win a cup if you're too one dimensional. Kane is extremely one dimensional. Gags was just 16th in C scoring. Does that not make him a 1C? Is a top 30 C not a first line C?

I hate to break it to you but Subban is very overrated and has a crummy attitude. Quit pretending like he's gods gift to defensemen...... Plus he punches his teammates at practice

Please stop....I'm begging you.
- captainkoivu

your argument was that he's too one dimensional and you can't win a cup if you're too one dimensional. Kane is extremely one dimensional. Gags was just 16th in C scoring. Does that not make him a 1C? Is a top 30 C not a first line C?
- TheNugeIsHuge

Derek Roy was 18th in the NHL in scoring a few years ago. Just sayin

Hall's toned down his reckless play. He missed 3 games this year courtesy of a 2 game suspension, and avoiding playing MIN, where they'd likely retaliate.

Eberle had 1 good season where he played soft minutes and had a high SH%. See: Nazem Kadri. He's my 2nd favourite to Nuge on the team, but I doubt he hits 70 again, and he's definitely not better than Hall.

I consider Hall to be equal to Tavares.
- TheNugeIsHuge

As he should, he is too skilled to be a tough guy....and, too scrawny. He needs to play like Gretz though...they have some commonalities.

Eberle had a decent yr on a bad team, and a great previous yr. Will never forget his goal when they whooped the Flames 6-0 Opening Night in 2011. I do think he and Yak were mismanaged poorly this yr (as was RNH).

If you want to give him for cheap, I am down.

So Horcoff and Hemsky's value put together?
- OneKaneOneCup

Yeah.

Vincent Lecavalier agent's, Kent Hughes, said the Lightning haven't told him anything with regard to a possible buyout of his client.
"We understand it's something they might be contemplating," said Hughes. "It would be natural to do so." It would cost Tampa Bay $30 million over 14 years if they decided to use a compliance buyout on Lecavalier. It could free up money and cap space for the long term, but it would also create a gaping hole in the team's top-six forward group.


Per Roto World

Here comes another Garth blog................ Miller for Vinny

Thats not the point. Its because Gags is deficient in so many other area's that for me he would have to seriously overcompensate to make up for it. He also plays with world class wingers.

He is extremely 1 dimensional and you need more than that if you want to win a Cup.

Hockey is so much more than just scoring points and I think both EDM and Ganger are perfect examples of that.
- Meeqsb

I don't think that's quite true at all.

He's not a defensive stalwart, but few 23 year old centres are. He's improving. Krueger used him comfortably on the PK. He's getting bigger and more physical, and his stride has noticeably improved. He's a consummate leader and he can even drop the gloves!

He'll never be a Selke winner but I wouldn't call him extremely 1-dimensional

As he should, he is too skilled to be a tough guy....and, too scrawny. He needs to play like Gretz though...they have some commonalities.

Eberle had a decent yr on a bad team, and a great previous yr. Will never forget his goal when they whooped the Flames 6-0 Opening Night in 2011. I do think he and Yak were mismanaged poorly this yr (as was RNH).

If you want to give him for cheap, I am down.
- FLflames34

taylor hall and gretz' only commonalities are that there both good players. it ends there really.
gretz was a cerebral player and hall is north south, speed and skill guy.

he can absolutely be effective physically. and has been.
agreed that it was wise to tone down some of the recklessness, but he plays a dangerous game at high speeds. to take away that would be to take away what makes him such a good hockey player.

it annoys me to even make this ridiculous comparison, but since you brought it up, taylor hall is much more messier/Anderson than he'll ever be gretzky. neither is he scrawny by any means. he's 6'1 197.

Vincent Lecavalier agent's, Kent Hughes, said the Lightning haven't told him anything with regard to a possible buyout of his client.
"We understand it's something they might be contemplating," said Hughes. "It would be natural to do so." It would cost Tampa Bay $30 million over 14 years if they decided to use a compliance buyout on Lecavalier. It could free up money and cap space for the long term, but it would also create a gaping hole in the team's top-six forward group.


Per Roto World

Here comes another Garth blog................ Miller for Vinny
- SABRES 89

If they were going to buy out Lecavalier why would the sabres trade for him?

If they were going to buy out Lecavalier why would the sabres trade for him?
- toddkac

Because if they don't buy him out, it will be the next Garth blog.

Do you know what was a good line last year? Hall-Horcoff-Yakupov. Seriously, a defensive conscious that stayed out of their way and tried his best to get into good position.

Gagner is a thinker who likes to make decisions. Using him with Hall and Yaks isn't a good use of his possession skills.

My favourite use of Gagner last year was PRV-Gagner-Yakupov or PRV-Gagner-Hemsky. It needed a bit more mean and defense though, so throw Kulemin or Clutterbuck on the RW there and watch magic happen.