it does not help if he's hurt or having a poop year (it's a risk )
- gerbe75pts

It's a big risk with Vanek. He might not miss games, but his game often tails off during the course of the season due to bumps, bruises and injuries he plays with.

Dealing Vanek at the deadline also limits the amount of teams due to his cap hit. Over the summer teams can adjust their roster if aquiring Vanek is a move they really want to make
- OneKaneOneCup

you mean half of his cap hit?

It's a big risk with Vanek. He might not miss games, but his game often tails off during the course of the season due to bumps, bruises and injuries he plays with.
- GilPerreault11

It's an interesting 5 days we have ahead here that's for sure

That Calgary trade in 2011 was epic!
- RynoBull

that jordan staal one was good

that jordan staal one was good
- gerbe75pts

man that was such a shocker too!

Dealing Vanek at the deadline also limits the amount of teams due to his cap hit. Over the summer teams can adjust their roster if aquiring Vanek is a move they really want to make
- OneKaneOneCup

Come the deadline his cap hit will be minimal.


See Pittsburgh this year adding 4.2, 7, and 2.5 mil.

you mean half of his cap hit?
- RynoBull

Any of it. Some teams have no room. If you are looking to add 3.6 mil, you better have some cap room.. I know if no one mentioned Vanek and we were just talking about Miller you wouldn't really care but in all honesty, how would you feel if Vanek ended up hurt and walked for nothing at years end? And please dont think thats not a real possibility

It's a big risk with Vanek. He might not miss games, but his game often tails off during the course of the season due to bumps, bruises and injuries he plays with.
- GilPerreault11

Its a risk, not a big one

Lets put this an easy current terms.

The return on Pommer and Gaustad is not the same return they would have had in the offseason. Supply, Demand and circumstances drive prices way up at the deadline. simple economics.

2014 1st, Samuelsson, Yandle.

Miller, 2014 2nd, prospect.
- dadeadhead

Wow I'd be all over this but I'm guessing Phoenix would want a pretty good prospect in return.

i'm off have a gn all

Its a risk, not a big one

Lets put this an easy current terms.

The return on Pommer and Gaustad is not the same return they would have had in the offseason. Supply, Demand and circumstances drive prices way up at the deadline. simple economics.
- RynoBull

I'll have to disagree. Not because I think your logic is wrong but if past deadline or mid season deals have taught us anything it's that less term=less willingness to give up top prospects 1st rounders (particularly for high end players)

Off the top of my head, names like Kovalchuk, Hossa and Richards come to mind as deals that the recipient of those players won in a landslide.

Also, no one mentions the constant distractions that the Sabres will face all year until the deadline if they don't trade Miller and Vanek. Questions about if they want to re-sign, why don't they want to re-sign? How do they feel about being traded? The talk has been crazy leading up until the draft, if they're not dealt this summer then it will carry on all year.

Trade 'em and continue the rebuild

Its a risk, not a big one

Lets put this an easy current terms.

The return on Pommer and Gaustad is not the same return they would have had in the offseason. Supply, Demand and circumstances drive prices way up at the deadline. simple economics.
- RynoBull

Yes supply and demand. The supply THIS offseason for 30 goal scorers puts Vanek as the cream of the crop, the demand for 30 goal scorers is always there. Next deadline the supply increases

Marleau
Michalek
Kessel
Ryan
Vrbata
Moulsen
Pominville

These are all 30 goal scorers who have expiring contracts next year. What the Sabres have working in their favor right now is that we are in a rebuild and can take advantage of a weak FA class and give a team looking for scoring Vanek at or before a stacked draft on Sunday

Its a risk, not a big one

Lets put this an easy current terms.

The return on Pommer and Gaustad is not the same return they would have had in the offseason. Supply, Demand and circumstances drive prices way up at the deadline. simple economics.
- RynoBull

Case in point.

2/25/07

Atlanta needed to make the playoffs.

St. Louis Blues acquire

Glen Metropolit
2007 1st round pick (#24-Mikael Backlund)
2007 3rd round pick (#85-Brett Sonne)
2008 2nd round pick (#33-Philip McRae)
2008 conditional 1st round pick (if Thrashers re-sign Tkachuk for 2007-08) (not exercised)

Atlanta Thrashers acquire

Keith Tkachuk (rental as he resigned with St. Louis in the off season).

Definitely? Who's source? Garth? The guy no one trusts? Ek? the guy no one trusts? Your twitter feed?

I can play this game!

What if Vanek scores 30 goals before the trade deadline?

What if Miller has 10 shutouts before Thanksgiving?

What if Darcy does the smart thing and wait for the sellers market at the trade deadline?
- RynoBull

You have absolutely no way to know we'd get more or them at the deadline
Look what Calgary got for Iginla, or Atlanta got for Hossa?
Guys w expiring contracts don't get much back bc they are purely "rentals"
Now if u had the guy or a full season, that's a little different
And if they agree to an extension as part of the trade, then it's a lot different
And yes, I think it's A LOT more likely Miller or Vanek would agree to an extension now... Once they get that close to free agency, it would just make sense to see what else is out there & take their pick from what situation they like the best

Its a risk, not a big one

Lets put this an easy current terms.

The return on Pommer and Gaustad is not the same return they would have had in the offseason. Supply, Demand and circumstances drive prices way up at the deadline. simple economics.
- RynoBull

High end talent gets what they are worth on or off trade deadline day. There are only so many consistent 30+ goal scorers. Like you said, supply and demand. Simple economics.

Mediocre talent on trade deadline day seems to get more than they are worth on trade deadline day, see Leopold and Regher.

Vanek(eat pert of his salary/cap hit) for Heatley++


Saves Minny from having to buy him out.

Heatley replaces some of the scoring lost from Vanek leaving, Heatley becomes "The" asset teams covet come the Trade Deadline.

Food for thought even though many will disagree.
- dadeadhead

Great idea!
And Vanek supposedly wants to be there,
So he'd prob extend at a reasonable price for them
And they have many prospects that I think we'd like, as well as a 1st next year and a 2015 1st I wouldn't mind having

You have absolutely no way to know we'd get more or them at the deadline
Look what Calgary got for Iginla, or Atlanta got for Hossa?
Guys w expiring contracts don't get much back bc they are purely "rentals"
Now if u had the guy or a full season, that's a little different
And if they agree to an extension as part of the trade, then it's a lot different
And yes, I think it's A LOT more likely Miller or Vanek would agree to an extension now... Once they get that close to free agency, it would just make sense to see what else is out there & take their pick from what situation they like the best
- jdfitz77

Philly sends Forsberg to Nashville for Parent, Upshall, 07 1st, and 07 3rd. 07 1st sent back to Nashville for Harnell and Timonen.

Any of it. Some teams have no room. If you are looking to add 3.6 mil, you better have some cap room.. I know if no one mentioned Vanek and we were just talking about Miller you wouldn't really care but in all honesty, how would you feel if Vanek ended up hurt and walked for nothing at years end? And please dont think thats not a real possibility
- OneKaneOneCup

my point is valid for either player.

I defend Vanek because most of you guys poop on him daily. Like it or not he is a VERY good hockey player. The best non-goalie Hockey player in a Sabres sweater in decades. He was a top 5 pick, he scores LOTS of goals. He is everything you guys want in hockey player, but because he is Vanek you want himout. People want to trade him for Bobby Ryan, who is the EXACT same player he is. WTF!

If this player wasn't a Sabre you all would want him:

29 year old Goal Scorer, who was picked 5th in the 1st round.
250 career goals in 8 seasons with 2 40 goal campaigns. Totalling 488 points for his career
Missed less than 40 games his entire career
Is a power play scoring machine


This is the type of player you Hope the sabres draft. He already exists on this team

Case in point.

2/25/07

Atlanta needed to make the playoffs.

St. Louis Blues acquire

Glen Metropolit
2007 1st round pick (#24-Mikael Backlund)
2007 3rd round pick (#85-Brett Sonne)
2008 2nd round pick (#33-Philip McRae)
2008 conditional 1st round pick (if Thrashers re-sign Tkachuk for 2007-08) (not exercised)

Atlanta Thrashers acquire

Keith Tkachuk (rental as he resigned with St. Louis in the off season).
- dadeadhead

I think we'll get more than a 1st, 2nd & 3rd for Vanek at the draft

High end talent gets what they are worth on or off trade deadline day. There are only so many consistent 30+ goal scorers. Like you said, supply and demand. Simple economics.

Mediocre talent on trade deadline day seems to get more than they are worth on trade deadline day, see Leopold and Regher.
- GilPerreault11

Also if we wait to the deadline and trade him, say we get a first from team X as part fo the deal and team X wins the cup, we basically got an early 2nd. Right now we are trading for a certian draft spot with a certain player they assume will be there. It's better for the rebuild

my point is valid for either player.

I defend Vanek because most of you guys poop on him daily. Like it or not he is a VERY good hockey player. The best non-goalie Hockey player in a Sabres sweater in decades. He was a top 5 pick, he scores LOTS of goals. He is everything you guys want in hockey player, but because he is Vanek you want himout. People want to trade him for Bobby Ryan, who is the EXACT same player he is. WTF!

If this player wasn't a Sabre you all would want him:

29 year old Goal Scorer, who was picked 5th in the 1st round.
250 career goals in 8 seasons with 2 40 goal campaigns. Totalling 488 points for his career
Missed less than 40 games his entire career
Is a power play scoring machine


This is the type of player you Hope the sabres draft. He already exists on this team

- RynoBull

Vanek is a really good player. great player actually. But he isnt consistent enough to be the best player on this team that we need to rely on, and if he's gonna walk at years end then you have to move him while you can. If he wanted to resign at a reasonable contract, I would like to see him retire a Sabre, I would hate watching him play for another team,

You have absolutely no way to know we'd get more or them at the deadline
Look what Calgary got for Iginla, or Atlanta got for Hossa?
Guys w expiring contracts don't get much back bc they are purely "rentals"
Now if u had the guy or a full season, that's a little different
And if they agree to an extension as part of the trade, then it's a lot different
And yes, I think it's A LOT more likely Miller or Vanek would agree to an extension now... Once they get that close to free agency, it would just make sense to see what else is out there & take their pick from what situation they like the best
- jdfitz77

Oh, I have my sources. Really awesome ones.

my point is valid for either player.

I defend Vanek because most of you guys poop on him daily. Like it or not he is a VERY good hockey player. The best non-goalie Hockey player in a Sabres sweater in decades. He was a top 5 pick, he scores LOTS of goals. He is everything you guys want in hockey player, but because he is Vanek you want himout. People want to trade him for Bobby Ryan, who is the EXACT same player he is. WTF!

If this player wasn't a Sabre you all would want him:

29 year old Goal Scorer, who was picked 5th in the 1st round.
250 career goals in 8 seasons with 2 40 goal campaigns. Totalling 488 points for his career
Missed less than 40 games his entire career
Is a power play scoring machine


This is the type of player you Hope the sabres draft. He already exists on this team

- RynoBull

Anyone who poops on Vanek is nuts
The guy is a really good player
BUT
If we are rebuilding, it makes a lot more sense to trade him than it does to keep him around
Plus, it sounds like he doesn't wanna be here
He supposedly turned down 8mil per for 8yrs...
Cya!
We'll take back a bunch of picks & prospects that we can add to our next "core"

Vanek is a really good player. great player actually. But he isnt consistent enough to be the best player on this team that we need to rely on, and if he's gonna walk at years end then you have to move him while you can. If he wanted to resign at a reasonable contract, I would like to see him retire a Sabre, I would hate watching him play for another team,
- OneKaneOneCup

I like you better than that Myers lover.........