If we stay at 11 I would like to see homer trade back into the 1st rd and get fucale

Hahaha shattenkirk signs for 4/17mil???? Less than our crappy coburn and mez.
- SMS4016

That makes the Streit deal even worse.

That makes the Streit deal even worse.
- MeThatsWho

Just an awful move all around.

Hell, if they're not going to QO him, trade a pick for him.
- Jsaquella

Why would Nashville want anything to do with us in a trade? Don't think there is any bad blood? I think its a brilliant idea, at least worth making a phone call for, but if I was Poile, I might just hang the phone up.

Why would Nashville want anything to do with us in a trade? Don't think there is any bad blood? I think its a brilliant idea, at least worth making a phone call for, but if I was Poile, I might just hang the phone up.
- iroc4me2

Turn down a draft pick for a guy you plan to let walk for free? Despite bad blood, if somebody's going to give me a dollar for a cookie I was going to throw out, I'd take the dollar.

Sweet, people don't understand the difference between RFA and UFA.

Sweet, people don't understand the difference between RFA and UFA.
- Jsaquella

Sweet, people don't understand the difference between RFA and UFA.
- Jsaquella

Are they ones who suggest trades that would only work in a video game with the salary cap turned off?

Sweet, people don't understand the difference between RFA and UFA.
- Jsaquella

No they do, and they also know the difference between a good and a bad GM.

Turn down a draft pick for a guy you plan to let walk for free? Despite bad blood, if somebody's going to give me a dollar for a cookie I was going to throw out, I'd take the dollar.
- Jsaquella

Agreed, but there will be plenty of other suitors look for cheap and young d-help.

No they do, and they also know the difference between a good and a bad GM.
- FlyerLifer

Right.

A good GM addresses needs (a puck moving, offensive minded defenseman) and finds the best deal or means to fulfill that need (say, giving up a low level prospect and a low draft pick)

Turn down a draft pick for a guy you plan to let walk for free? Despite bad blood, if somebody's going to give me a dollar for a cookie I was going to throw out, I'd take the dollar.
- Jsaquella

How could nashville not qualify him? He has trade value...even if they don't work out it out before free agency starts, how can they let an asset like that just walk?

Rumor is that the Preds will not qualify Jonathon Blum...I'd definitely kick the tires there.
- Jsaquella

I've just forwarded a forged application in your name for the position of general manager to Ed Snider's office. Stay by the phone .

No they do, and they also know the difference between a good and a bad GM.
- FlyerLifer

Streit was a pending UFA. He was offered a contract by the Islanders for 3 years at almost $5mm. He likely would have gotten similar money had he hit the open market.

Conversely, Shattenkirk's rights are controlled by the Blues. Sure he could sign an offer sheet, but it could create hard feelings if St Louis matched. He signed a team friendly deal to stay in a place he was happy....kind of like Giroux did, when he signed a 3 year deal for $3.75mm. Or Voracek when he signed a 4 year deal for $4.25mm

As for good and bad GM's, Holmgren's team is in the top 5 in the NHL in playoff series wins over the past decade, behind Detriot, Chicago, San Jose and Boston. St Louis hasn't won a round under Armstrong.

Is there another qualifying trait for a good GM or bad GM other than winning?

Right.

A good GM addresses needs (a puck moving, offensive minded defenseman) and finds the best deal or means to fulfill that need (say, giving up a low level prospect and a low draft pick)
- Giroux_Is_God

The best thing is the low cap hit.

How could nashville not qualify him? He has trade value...even if they don't work out it out before free agency starts, how can they let an asset like that just walk?
- Just5

No idea, but that's the rumor. There's no way I wouldn't qualify him.

Sweet, people don't understand the difference between RFA and UFA.
- Jsaquella

I didn't know the difference when I first came on here, as it pertains to contract values...

No they do, and they also know the difference between a good and a bad GM.
- FlyerLifer

No, they don't, if they equate Kevin Shattenkirk getting 4 years at $17 million as an RFA with Mark Streit getting $4 years, 22 million as a UFA.

If Kevin Shattenkirk were UFA, he'd be getting something like, say...7 years, $45 million.

If you like that deal better, fine. But equating Shattenkirk's RFA deal to Streit's UFA deal is either intellectual dishonesty or incorrect.

I'd be open to all avenues...but remember, Bob played on a horrible KHL team. Not sure if Galimov or Haugen play on better teams that helped their numbers.
- Jsaquella

Actually, it's quite the opposite. Bob played for SKA Saint Petersburg, who had one of the top scorers in the whole league (Patrick Thoreson, #4 in the league in scoring with 51 points in 52 games and a +17), and who finished 1st in their division and went to the conference finals, finishing the season with a 36-11-1 record. Galimov played for Atlant Moscow Oblast. While they do feature old friend and top scorer Nikolay Zherdev (#9 in the league with 43 points in 50 games with a -7), they also finished with a 19-21-4 record and only made it to the conference quarter-finals. Haugen, the most impressive imo, played for Dinamo Minsk. Their leading scorer was Tim Stapleton (40 points in 52 games). They finished 18-23-3 and did not qualify for the playoffs. So Haugen and Galimov actually played for far worse teams than Bob, who actually played for the best team in the KHL's Western Conference. On top of that, they both put up better numbers than Bob.

The best thing is the low cap hit.
- FlyerLifer

So, what defenseman, in this day in age, is going to bring a proficient offensive game to the table for a low cap hit?

The market value for puckmoving defensemen is off the charts right now. It's just how it is.

What you're doing right now is equivalent to being bitter about how there aren't any $2 gas stations around....

EDIT: If you missed the boat, I was talking about Homer getting Streit.

Streit was a pending UFA. He was offered a contract by the Islanders for 3 years at almost $5mm. He likely would have gotten similar money had he hit the open market.

Conversely, Shattenkirk's rights are controlled by the Blues. Sure he could sign an offer sheet, but it could create hard feelings if St Louis matched. He signed a team friendly deal to stay in a place he was happy....kind of like Giroux did, when he signed a 3 year deal for $3.75mm. Or Voracek when he signed a 4 year deal for $4.25mm

As for good and bad GM's, Holmgren's team is in the top 5 in the NHL in playoff series wins over the past decade, behind Detriot, Chicago, San Jose and Boston. St Louis hasn't won a round under Armstrong.

Is there another qualifying trait for a good GM or bad GM other than winning?
- Jsaquella

Trust me I get what you're saying... You see the patience there with the blues GM? Signing his best offensive Rfa forward to a decent one year deal, when next year there's 6 mil coming off the cap with a certain other defenseman?

That makes the Streit deal even worse.
- MeThatsWho

What do you think Shattenkirk could command if he was a UFA on the open market? You cannot compare the two situations.

So, what defenseman, in this day in age, is going to bring a proficient offensive game to the table for a low cap hit?

The market value for puckmoving defensemen is off the charts right now. It's just how it is.

What you're doing right now is equivalent to being bitter about how there aren't any $2 gas stations around....

EDIT: If you missed the boat, I was talking about Homer getting Streit.
- Giroux_Is_God

I'm not bitter, but you can't say Homer has a plan. He reacts and most of the time it is poorly. Do you need more examples?

Actually, it's quite the opposite. Bob played for SKA Saint Petersburg, who had one of the top scorers in the whole league (Patrick Thoreson, #4 in the league in scoring with 51 points in 52 games and a +17), and who finished 1st in their division and went to the conference finals, finishing the season with a 36-11-1 record. Galimov played for Atlant Moscow Oblast. While they do feature old friend and top scorer Nikolay Zherdev (#9 in the league with 43 points in 50 games with a -7), they also finished with a 19-21-4 record and only made it to the conference quarter-finals. Haugen, the most impressive imo, played for Dinamo Minsk. Their leading scorer was Tim Stapleton (40 points in 52 games). They finished 18-23-3 and did not qualify for the playoffs. So Haugen and Galimov actually played for far worse teams than Bob, who actually played for the best team in the KHL's Western Conference. On top of that, they both put up better numbers than Bob.
- JAKEw1234

I was referring to Bobrovsky's work with Metallurg Novokuznetsk before he was signed. Not his play this year, without a camp and jumping over only when the lockout occurred.

His Metallurg team was among the worst in the KHL

I'm not bitter, but you can't say Homer has a plan. He reacts and most of the time it is poorly. Do you need more examples?
- FlyerLifer

So what would your plan be?
A Real world plan..not BS we can trade Rinaldo and Read for Weber..giter done Holmer!