Am I demanding that Voracek be traded? Would you consider Crosby, Malkin, Iginla, Neal, Letang and Kunitz game breakers? Even if we scored more then the Pens, my argument is the way that they score. They get key goals at key times. On top of this Shero continues to keep adding.
- dingo8urbaby

None of that addresses any of the points I made. What happened in the Series against Boston? Where were those key goals for Pittsburgh? And why didn't they score those key goals. Answering those questions, will explain why a top scoring Winger is way down on the list of Flyers needs.

Ok fellas. I've had a good time being the punching bag for a while tonight. I'm in customer service now so this is sure good practice!! Have a good night all, stay thirsty my flyer friends!

The Flyers haven't had a number # 1 goalie since Hextall, they throw an enormous contract at Bryzgalov, he's paid 40 million dollars to play 97 games. He will be making 1.6 million dollars from the Flyers when he's a 45 year old man.

This on the heels of Bobrovsky winning a Vezina on a perennial League doormat.

Fans of other teams who think that is off the charts incompetence are clueless....

Got it.
- PLindbergh31

If I may....

There's no way in hell that Bob puts numbers even in the same atmosphere as what he did in Columbus. The Jackets actually play a pretty effective but under the radar trap akin to the mid 90s Devils.

The Flyers haven't had a number # 1 goalie since Hextall, they throw an enormous contract at Bryzgalov, he's paid 40 million dollars to play 97 games. He will be making 1.6 million dollars from the Flyers when he's a 45 year old man.

This on the heels of Bobrovsky winning a Vezina on a perennial League doormat.

Fans of other teams who think that is off the charts incompetence are clueless....

Got it.
- PLindbergh31

How does Bryzgalov making 1.6M dollars when he's 45 affect me as a fan of the Flyers?

None of that addresses any of the points I made. What happened in the Series against Boston? Where were those key goals for Pittsburgh? And why didn't they score those key goals. Answering those questions, will explain why a top scoring Winger is way down on the list of Flyers needs.
- MJL

Boston is also a team that continues to add. Both teams went deep in the playoffs.

If I may....

There's no way in hell that Bob puts numbers even in the same atmosphere as what he did in Columbus. The Jackets actually play a pretty effective but under the radar trap akin to the mid 90s Devils.
- Giroux_Is_God

How do you explain Mason's .899 save % and 2.95 GAA playing behind that same system you mention?

How does Bryzgalov making 1.6M dollars when he's 45 affect me as a fan of the Flyers?
- MJL

Yea really I know this sounds bad but we should be happy that we have an owner that has the balls to pay someone that much to go away lol

NHL.com expert final mocks have Flyers taking:

Pulock
Risto
Fucale (eww really)

Elsewhere, I keep seeing Morin at 11. I think that's a crazy, crazy, reach. Who do we have at 11, folks? Four days away.

NHL.com expert final mocks have Flyers taking:

Pulock
Risto
Fucale (eww really)

Elsewhere, I keep seeing Morin at 11. I think that's a crazy, crazy, reach. Who do we have at 11, folks? Four days away.
- cmr.266

I still think we move up but I would take pulock if he's there

Exactly -- it baffles me how people think it's great to have players you KNOW you need feel like they're working in the salt mines before they can get a deal that reflects their value.

P.K. Subban wanted a long-term deal from the Canadiens last summer, would've taken something like 5 years, $25 million.

The Canadiens were like, "Nope. Bridge deal. That's all you get. Two years. Suck it up."

So he did. And won the Norris trophy. At a salary of $2.875 million. And he's coming up at the end of the year.

Anybody think he's coming in at 5 years, $25 million on that one?
- AllInForFlyers

Exactly, pay me now or pay me later. Which is what Holmgren tries to avoid. Although the Flyers are in the same boat now with Giroux. It's a great deal for two years. A lot depends on what the player is willing to do also. Some top players aren't willing to sign those longer term deals that could see them underpaid in later years.

I still think we move up but I would take pulock if he's there
- griouxmvp2012

Move up to which pick? I can see Edmonton trading down, maybe Carolina but that's it.

Third pairing doesn't mean a player is awful, he's strength is obviously not his defense but he has offensive skill.
- FlyerLifer

Iif he's playing the second most minutes, I'd say he's not third pair. Third pair suggests that he's not an especially capable player, though.

I know he's not a good defensive player. He has to be used properly. But he fills a definite need and didn't cost any of the players the Flyers see as cornerstone pieces.

I'm not jumping for joy over Streit. It's a questionable contract for sure. But it can't be compared to Shattenkirk because they're different situations.

Ok fellas. I've had a good time being the punching bag for a while tonight. I'm in customer service now so this is sure good practice!! Have a good night all, stay thirsty my flyer friends!
- FlyerLifer

Have a good one, good discussion at the very least

Exactly, pay me now or pay me later. Which is what Holmgren tries to avoid. Although the Flyers are in the same boat now with Giroux. It's a great deal for two years. A lot depends on what the player is willing to do also. Some top players aren't willing to sign those longer term deals that could see them underpaid in later years.
- MJL

You summed that up perfectly -- if you've got a good player who wants cost certainty, then give it to them so you can plan your cap.

You summed that up perfectly -- if you've got a good player who wants cost certainty, then give it to them so you can plan your cap.
- AllInForFlyers

Exactly, so for those that think that Holmgren paid too much for Simmonds. If he continues to improve down the road. That tune will change. He now has a solid young player that still has potential to grow, under control for 6 years.

Iif he's playing the second most minutes, I'd say he's not third pair. Third pair suggests that he's not an especially capable player, though.

I know he's not a good defensive player. He has to be used properly. But he fills a definite need and didn't cost any of the players the Flyers see as cornerstone pieces.

I'm not jumping for joy over Streit. It's a questionable contract for sure. But it can't be compared to Shattenkirk because they're different situations.
- Jsaquella

23+ minutes - played on the PK also. I don't see him having to do as much of that here. They can give him 21+ "smart" minutes in Philly. And by they I mean Lavy.

Exactly -- it baffles me how people think it's great to have players you KNOW you need feel like they're working in the salt mines before they can get a deal that reflects their value.

P.K. Subban wanted a long-term deal from the Canadiens last summer, would've taken something like 5 years, $25 million.

The Canadiens were like, "Nope. Bridge deal. That's all you get. Two years. Suck it up."

So he did. And won the Norris trophy. At a salary of $2.875 million. And he's coming up at the end of the year.

Anybody think he's coming in at 5 years, $25 million on that one?
- AllInForFlyers

PK is gonna stand for Plenty O'Kash in a couple years

Have a good one, good discussion at the very least
- Jsaquella

It was fun -- not the punching bag part because we're just debating, but the talking hockey!

23+ minutes - played on the PK also. I don't see him having to do as much of that here. They can give him 21+ "smart" minutes in Philly. And by they I mean Lavy.
- cmr.266

And the majority of those minutes need to be offensive zone starts. With the Giroux line as much as possible. And on the PP.

It was fun -- not the punching bag part because we're just debating, but the talking hockey!
- AllInForFlyers

Absolutely. Far better than the "Flyers Suck, Holmgren's a moron, They're a laughingstock" bull poop we get sometimes.

The Flyers haven't had a number # 1 goalie since Hextall, they throw an enormous contract at Bryzgalov, he's paid 40 million dollars to play 97 games. He will be making 1.6 million dollars from the Flyers when he's a 45 year old man.

This on the heels of Bobrovsky winning a Vezina on a perennial League doormat.

Fans of other teams who think that is off the charts incompetence are clueless....

Got it.
- PLindbergh31

Got it.

And the majority of those minutes need to be offensive zone starts. With the Giroux line as much as possible. And on the PP.
- MJL

Fits into the smart minutes. It also allows the other guys to ease back into their normal roles. Coburn can be the defensive defenseman role once again - one that is capable of bringing speed and puck-moving if needed.

Fits into the smart minutes. It also allows the other guys to ease back into their normal roles. Coburn can be the defensive defenseman role once again - one that is capable of bringing speed and puck-moving if needed.
- cmr.266

That's the byproduct. Other players can be put in a better role and position to succeed, more suitable to their strengths. I'm not under any illusions as to what Streit is. But he does bring a skill set to the Flyers lineup that they needed. They badly missed Carle.

Exactly, so for those that think that Holmgren paid too much for Simmonds. If he continues to improve down the road. That tune will change. He now has a solid young player that still has potential to grow, under control for 6 years.
- MJL

Kid shouldnt be allowed to skate outside his own blue line in training camp

Absolutely. Far better than the "Flyers Suck, Holmgren's a moron, They're a laughingstock" bull poop we get sometimes.
- Jsaquella

+1