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PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 28 @ 10:06 AM ET
Hockey Future's has the Flyers ranked 30 out 30. I guess the folks there are clueless.

http://www.hockeysfuture....m-rankings-2012-13/page/3

- PLindbergh31


It would look a lot better if Couts was playing in the minors. I also believe Ghost, Alt and Laughton's stock have gone up since it was written.

They are dead on about the goalie prospects. This team has nothing except for Stolarz. Cal Heeter has the upside of a backup. I wouldnt be surprised if their second rounder was a goalie. Just like last year.
the deaninator
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Purgatory, DE
Joined: 08.06.2006

Jun 28 @ 10:07 AM ET
Sam Hinkie slipped Homer some of his leftover Ritalin from last night. Homer's spinning like a top working four phones at once.
- 77rams



RITALIN?!?

stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 28 @ 10:07 AM ET
ugh. Miss the point again. Your about a pourus as a brick wall. I said Couturier OR Laughton. I said I WASNT putting a deal together. I was giving an example. You want to use a different player... fine... Morgan Reily. But of course now your going to say no way Couturier can get you Reiley....
- youarewrong


I get your point. The Flyers need to find a way to get some younger defenseman. Be nice if that defenseman was a good skater/puck mover.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jun 28 @ 10:07 AM ET
Sam Hinkie slipped Homer some of his leftover Ritalin from last night. Homer's spinning like a top working four phones at once.
- 77rams


Sam Hinkie just traded the Kate Smith statue and Chase Utley for Thomas Vanek.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 28 @ 10:08 AM ET
This isn't SixersBuzz, but I like what he did.

They were going to stink with or without Holiday. They'll be in the lottery next year in a deeper draft. What's one more year of the Sixers stinking?

It's so hard in the NBA to go from an also-ran to a contender. In that league, you have to get REALLY bad before you can get really good.

At least in the NHL, you can draft/trade/sign your way into respectability/contention, although results with each approach may vary.

- johndewar


Last comment about Sixers. I promise. I just hate the fact that the trade guarantees they will be bad for at least 3-4 more years. And that's if everything works out!
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jun 28 @ 10:08 AM ET
I wish we would get the ideas of trading Sean Couturier or Brayden Schenn out of our heads. Who is this Russian Lindros everyone is talking about? Whoever he is, if you're gonna compare him to the Big E, he better be playing at the same level as Malkin. I have zero interest in giving up Schenn or Couturier before we can see what they can do.
- dingo8urbaby


Nichushkin has been compaired to both Lindros and Malkin. I have heard he has Malkin's moves and shot with Lindros' willingness to use his body.

The knock... He is Russian. May be a selfish player, and may be "lazy" sometimes.... But they say this about almost every Russian player.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jun 28 @ 10:08 AM ET
RITALIN?!?


- the deaninator

This gif would be better if we could get it to loop.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jun 28 @ 10:09 AM ET
It would look a lot better if Couts was playing in the minors. I also believe Ghost, Alt and Laughton's stock have gone up since it was written.

They are dead on about the goalie prospects. This team has nothing except for Stolarz. Cal Heeter has the upside of a backup. I wouldnt be surprised if their second rounder was a goalie. Just like last year.

- PhillySportsGuy


Totally agree on this.

As a matter of fact, I think it's the only thing that's a sure thing that the Flyers will do in the draft.
77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

Jun 28 @ 10:09 AM ET
I wish we would get the ideas of trading Sean Couturier or Brayden Schenn out of our heads. Who is this Russian Lindros everyone is talking about? Whoever he is, if you're gonna compare him to the Big E, he better be playing at the same level as Malkin. I have zero interest in giving up Schenn or Couturier before we can see what they can do.
- dingo8urbaby


If he was anywhere close to Lindros, he'd far and away be the top pick in the draft.

Every top draft eligible player is compared to a past or present player for some reference. Often, the comparisons do not do the young players any favors.
the deaninator
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Purgatory, DE
Joined: 08.06.2006

Jun 28 @ 10:09 AM ET
This gif would be better if we could get it to loop.
- BulliesPhan87



johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jun 28 @ 10:09 AM ET
Last comment about Sixers. I promise. I just hate the fact that the trade guarantees they will be bad for at least 3-4 more years. And that's if everything works out!
- PhillySportsGuy


Glad to see someone else able to talk all 4 Philly sports....
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jun 28 @ 10:09 AM ET
RITALIN?!?


- the deaninator


On the ass end of a Barkann joke. That is where things have sunk to.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jun 28 @ 10:10 AM ET
It would look a lot better if Couts was playing in the minors. I also believe Ghost, Alt and Laughton's stock have gone up since it was written.

They are dead on about the goalie prospects. This team has nothing except for Stolarz. Cal Heeter has the upside of a backup. I wouldnt be surprised if their second rounder was a goalie. Just like last year.

- PhillySportsGuy


With all the goalies that come out of late rounds, I would just take goalies in round 5, 6, & 7. Its unlikey any skaters will become NHL players in those rounds, but your likely a goalie will emerge. Like Lundquist.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 28 @ 10:11 AM ET
Totally agree on this.

As a matter of fact, I think it's the only thing that's a sure thing that the Flyers will do in the draft.

- johndewar


I think goalie prospects are like pitching prospects. You need a bunch because more than half won;t pan out.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 28 @ 10:12 AM ET
Glad to see someone else able to talk all 4 Philly sports....
- johndewar


I'm a sports junky. I can talk all four sports and I'm also well versed in college football. I swear I don't sit on my couch all day.
dingo8urbaby
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jun 28 @ 10:12 AM ET
RITALIN?!?


- the deaninator

this doesn't seem to make Homer look as cool without seeing the douche bag in the room.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 28 @ 10:13 AM ET
Last comment about Sixers. I promise. I just hate the fact that the trade guarantees they will be bad for at least 3-4 more years. And that's if everything works out!
- PhillySportsGuy


Hinkie GM of the Year.

Reported Bynum not coming back. Another great move by the GM. Take notes Homer.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jun 28 @ 10:13 AM ET
With all the goalies that come out of late rounds, I would just take goalies in round 5, 6, & 7. Its unlikey any skaters will become NHL players in those rounds, but your likely a goalie will emerge. Like Lundquist.
- youarewrong


Regardless of where they take a goalie, they need to take one and maybe two.

The talent pool in the Flyers organization, as far as goaltenders are concerned, is less a pool and more like a small puddle.

Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 28 @ 10:14 AM ET
Hockey Future's has the Flyers ranked 30 out 30. I guess the folks there are clueless.

http://www.hockeysfuture....m-rankings-2012-13/page/3

- PLindbergh31


"NHL prospects considered for these rankings meet HF's prospect criteria at the time the list is published."

Meaning they don't take into account the kids that are already in the NHL.


The Flyers really are 30 out of 30... habit of trading picks away, and the subsequent over-reliance on CHL overagers and college UFA's has really done a number on depth.

They really have to hang on to their picks for the next handful of drafts... they're not always going to have players like Richards/Carter to use for restocking the cupboard.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 28 @ 10:14 AM ET
The Flyers will have eight NHL defensemen on their roster once they officially announce Mark Streit's contract.While you can never have enough defensemen, it'll be hard for the Flyers to enter next season with their current group. Not counting Chris Pronger, Philly's defensemen will account for over 43 percent of the team's payroll next season despite only accounting for 30 percent of the roster, according to Philly.com. That leads beat writer Frank Seravalli to think someone will be dealt, with Braydon Coburn's $4.5 million cap hit the most likely suspect. The Flyers would surely like to hold onto the 28-year-old blueliner, but his age, size and speed make him their best trading chip. The Oilers and Flames are reportedly interested in Coburn, but keep an eye out for Anaheim, which is reportedly seeking a top-four defenseman in any trade for sniper Bobby Ryan.

Source: Philadelphia Inquirer & Daily News
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 28 @ 10:14 AM ET
With all the goalies that come out of late rounds, I would just take goalies in round 5, 6, & 7. Its unlikey any skaters will become NHL players in those rounds, but your likely a goalie will emerge. Like Lundquist.
- youarewrong


The Flyers are such good drafters in the first round that I wouldn't advocate selecting a goalie because of the risk. I would much rather them take at least a couple of goalies between rounds 2-7 in every draft.
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 28 @ 10:16 AM ET
I think goalie prospects are like pitching prospects. You need a bunch because more than half won;t pan out.
- PhillySportsGuy


Try like 90%+
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 28 @ 10:17 AM ET
The Flyers will have eight NHL defensemen on their roster once they officially announce Mark Streit's contract.While you can never have enough defensemen, it'll be hard for the Flyers to enter next season with their current group. Not counting Chris Pronger, Philly's defensemen will account for over 43 percent of the team's payroll next season despite only accounting for 30 percent of the roster, according to Philly.com. That leads beat writer Frank Seravalli to think someone will be dealt, with Braydon Coburn's $4.5 million cap hit the most likely suspect. The Flyers would surely like to hold onto the 28-year-old blueliner, but his age, size and speed make him their best trading chip. The Oilers and Flames are reportedly interested in Coburn, but keep an eye out for Anaheim, which is reportedly seeking a top-four defenseman in any trade for sniper Bobby Ryan.

Source: Philadelphia Inquirer & Daily News

- stveshdy


I never understood the "Defenseman are taking up too much of the cap" thing. Pronger is going to LTIR so he doesn't count. Many of the forwards are still on entry level deals or their first contract. Kimmo and Mez will be off next year when the young guys need to be paid
Trainfellow
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 06.23.2012

Jun 28 @ 10:17 AM ET
With all the goalies that come out of late rounds, I would just take goalies in round 5, 6, & 7. Its unlikey any skaters will become NHL players in those rounds, but your likely a goalie will emerge. Like Lundquist.
- youarewrong


With our goaltending "luck" we should be taking multiple goalies every draft, all in the later rounds.. I also would be surprised to see Carolina take the trade of 11th + Cobourn for the 5th but time will tell.. Theres always a shock on draft day
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jun 28 @ 10:18 AM ET

- the deaninator

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