Try like 90%+
- Tomahawk

I'm talking more about the top goalie prospects. I'd say there is far less than a 50% chance that Stolarz will become an NHL starter

The Flyers are such good drafters in the first round that I wouldn't advocate selecting a goalie because of the risk. I would much rather them take at least a couple of goalies between rounds 2-7 in every draft.
- PhillySportsGuy

I would avoid goalies in rounds 1-3. Most 1st will end up being NHL players. something like 30% of 2nds will. About 10% 3rds.... So I would just take your last 3 picks of the draft and use them on goalies.

With our goaltending "luck" we should be taking multiple goalies every draft, all in the later rounds.. I also would be surprised to see Carolina take the trade of 11th + Cobourn for the 5th but time will tell.. Theres always a shock on draft day
- Trainfellow

That's what i've been saying. I know Carolina is desperate for defense, but I can't imagine another team not willing to shell out more for that pick

The Flyers are such good drafters in the first round that I wouldn't advocate selecting a goalie because of the risk. I would much rather them take at least a couple of goalies between rounds 2-7 in every draft.
- PhillySportsGuy

If they could grab a late first round pick, I wouldn't mind them picking up Furcale with it.

"NHL prospects considered for these rankings meet HF's prospect criteria at the time the list is published."

Meaning they don't take into account the kids that are already in the NHL.


The Flyers really are 30 out of 30... habit of trading picks away, and the subsequent over-reliance on CHL overagers and college UFA's has really done a number on depth.

They really have to hang on to their picks for the next handful of drafts... they're not always going to have players like Richards/Carter to use for restocking the cupboard.
- Tomahawk

This.

I would avoid goalies in rounds 1-3. Most 1st will end up being NHL players. something like 30% of 2nds will. About 10% 3rds.... So I would just take your last 3 picks of the draft and use them on goalies.
- youarewrong

You can't handcuff yourself like that. You need to trust your scouting. The idea of throwing darts at a board in round 5-7 isn't what I want the team to do.

I would avoid goalies in rounds 1-3. Most 1st will end up being NHL players. something like 30% of 2nds will. About 10% 3rds.... So I would just take your last 3 picks of the draft and use them on goalies.
- youarewrong

I'm not saying that they need to invest high picks in goalies or whatever. They need to be mindful of what they have and don't have in the organization and draft accordingly.

Geez, the team employs 2 scouts that specifically target goalies. It'd be a shame to pay those guys and not listen to them on recommendations.

If they could grab a late first round pick, I wouldn't mind them picking up Furcale with it.
- 77rams

Yeah that'd be fine by me. I want them to take a skater with their first pick. After that, I'd have no problem with a goalie in any round.

I'm talking more about the top goalie prospects. I'd say there is far less than a 50% chance that Stolarz will become an NHL starter
- PhillySportsGuy

I would agree with Tomahawk.

Probably closer to a 10% chance that Stolarz becomes an NHL starter.

I'm talking more about the top goalie prospects. I'd say there is far less than a 50% chance that Stolarz will become an NHL starter
- PhillySportsGuy

Especially top goalie prospects... for every Martin Brodeur there's a mountain of Trevor Kidds, Tyler Moss', Eric Fichauds, Jim Careys, and Byron Dafoes. The hit-rate to get a starting NHL goaltender off the top is not that much better than taking a chance in the 7th-round. 18-years-old is just way too early to make a determination about a goaltender's future outlook.

I would agree with Tomahawk.

Probably closer to a 10% chance that Stolarz becomes an NHL starter.
- bradleyc4

I think 10% is low. I'm thinking more like 25%. This is all a moot point because no one can prove right or wrong on this type of thing. My argument is that they need to take goalies in every draft. I would like to see them take multiple goalies in every draft.

There are plenty of teams to trade with that have cap space to sign Read to an extension. The Flyers don't want to move any of those young players so imo the only guys with trade value are Read & Coburn. Not sure what they will get in return but those two are best for moving to obtain what your looking for.
- stveshdy

That's true, but it doesn't changed that Read signed to a contract would have more value. And getting Cap space is part of the value of a trade. So Meszaros is a candidate.

Especially top goalie prospects... for every Martin Brodeur there's a mountain of Trevor Kidds, Tyler Moss', Eric Fichauds, Jim Careys, and Byron Dafoes. The hit-rate to get a starting NHL goaltender off the top is not that much better than taking a chance in the 7th-round. 18-years-old is just way too early to make a determination about a goaltender's future outlook.
- Tomahawk

I agree with you. I'll be honest. I have a little faith that Homer wants to do this thing right and be patient. He seemed sincere in his interviews when admitting that the team has jumped the gun on several moves that hurt the team later.

Hockey Future's has the Flyers ranked 30 out 30. I guess the folks there are clueless.

http://www.hockeysfuture....m-rankings-2012-13/page/3
- PLindbergh31

Well I wouldn't put a lot of stock in what Hockeyfutures says. You made the statement that the Flyers minor League system is barren. I simply showed you that statement is incorrect, and an exaggeration.

You can't handcuff yourself like that. You need to trust your scouting. The idea of throwing darts at a board in round 5-7 isn't what I want the team to do.
- PhillySportsGuy

That's exactly what I'd do, only I'd start even earlier than the 5th round.

I'd trust my staff to advise me who the best available goaltender is at the time and select at least three every draft.

That's true, but it doesn't changed that Read signed to a contract would have more value. And getting Cap space is part of the value of a trade. So Meszaros is a candidate.
- MJL

If they're just looking to move salary then they will look to trade Mez. If they want value back, they will look to move Coburn.

I still don't see why they can't make room for read. What is his estimated salary? Does anyone know?

Well I wouldn't put a lot of stock in what Hockeyfutures says. You made the statement that the Flyers minor League system is barren. I simply showed you that statement is incorrect, and an exaggeration.
- MJL

Ok. I won't put any stock in what Hockeyfutures says, but I will put stock in what you say.

I think 10% is low. I'm thinking more like 25%. This is all a moot point because no one can prove right or wrong on this type of thing. My argument is that they need to take goalies in every draft. I would like to see them take multiple goalies in every draft.
- PhillySportsGuy

The likelihood that those will become wasted draft picks is so high it's almost not even worth it... might as well reach for a forward with question marks or a late-bloomer D.

The best way to get a goalie is to trade for one around age 20-24... by that time you know they won't be a complete bust, but they still don't have enough experience to really drive up the cost. Like Tuukka Rask.

With our goaltending "luck" we should be taking multiple goalies every draft, all in the later rounds.. I also would be surprised to see Carolina take the trade of 11th + Cobourn for the 5th but time will tell.. Theres always a shock on draft day
- Trainfellow

But if you think about it, top 4 d-men aren't cheap. Coburn is signed for a decent amount of time at a reasonable cap hit. He is 28 and in his prime. The only question is if Coburn would wave to go to Carolina.

I dont agree. Read would be an incredible pick-up for any team that needs to add scoring for the playoffs but doesn't have cap space to add a bigger name. Plus the team can always begin negotiations early.

If I'm the Flyers I wait until the TDL to decide on contracts. If your not in the playoff race, Read should be traded. If you are, then you cant afford to trade Read and then he becomes a proirity to sign.
- youarewrong

Having Read signed increases his trade value. I'd get Giroux re-signed as soon as possible, rather then waiting until the trade deadline. That way there is a cleare picture moving forward.

ugh. Miss the point again. Your about a pourus as a brick wall. I said Couturier OR Laughton. I said I WASNT putting a deal together. I was giving an example. You want to use a different player... fine... Morgan Reily. But of course now your going to say no way Couturier can get you Reiley....
- youarewrong

Couturier for Erixon is simply a poor example.

I think 10% is low. I'm thinking more like 25%. This is all a moot point because no one can prove right or wrong on this type of thing. My argument is that they need to take goalies in every draft. I would like to see them take multiple goalies in every draft.
- PhillySportsGuy

I would take at least one goalie (in the later rounds) of every draft as well.

Well I wouldn't put a lot of stock in what Hockeyfutures says. You made the statement that the Flyers minor League system is barren. I simply showed you that statement is incorrect, and an exaggeration.
- MJL

It's pretty barren down there. The Flyers don't have much depth compared to other teams. The upside for many of their amateur players is fairly low.

It's all relative. We know the system well, so it seems alright, but other teams have potential future top line talent or top pairing talent or starting goalie talent.

RITALIN?!?


- the deaninator

So what was the story behind this exactly? I don't have sound and I'm not from Philly.

The likelihood that those will become wasted draft picks is so high it's almost not even worth it... might as well reach for a forward with question marks or a late-bloomer D.

The best way to get a goalie is to trade for one around age 20-24... by that time you know they won't be a complete bust, but they still don't have enough experience to really drive up the cost. Like Tuukka Rask.
- Tomahawk

Thats how many feel about dmen too. It's risky though because your paying up front for future talent. Most of the time you get a steal or a bust.

Can't really argue with you because drafting goalies in the first round is just as risky.

i just feel that by taking a couple of goalies in every draft, one will eventually emerge as a starter. I just hope we don't end up trading that guy away before he reaches his potential.