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isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jun 28 @ 8:49 PM ET
that opinion is valid, and also has zero relation to my comment that someone saying we need to replace briere is dumb.
- Don'tForgetTocchet

it depends on what is meant by replace briere. if that is narrowly defined, i would agree, but if it just means adding another scorer to play in the top 6 and/or PP, i don't think that would be dumb.
flyerscup2011
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Future lottery winner
Joined: 06.21.2010

Jun 28 @ 8:50 PM ET
just read that the flyers and flames have been talking, heard their gm has been "chasing" matt read for sometime, any way we could leverage that to getting their first 2 picks or am way off?
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jun 28 @ 8:50 PM ET
Or that they have something else up their sleeve to acquire another defenseman they really like.
- Flyers1218

think giordano from CGY could be available?
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jun 28 @ 8:52 PM ET
I didn't know B. Star moved, I like Jason Myrtretus who also moved.
- ravishingone

jason's cool. he gets into some political crap sometimes which i don't care for, other than that, he's good.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jun 28 @ 8:52 PM ET
it depends on what is meant by replace briere. if that is narrowly defined, i would agree, but if it just means adding another scorer to play in the top 6 and/or PP, i don't think that would be dumb.
- isaiah520

Coburn for Hemsky would replace Briere

Moose_15
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Rat Patrol, PA
Joined: 02.15.2013

Jun 28 @ 8:52 PM ET
just read that the flyers and flames have been talking, heard their gm has been "chasing" matt read for sometime, any way we could leverage that to getting their first 2 picks or am way off?
- flyerscup2011



I don't think Matt Read fetches a first round pick, especially going into a UFA year.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jun 28 @ 8:53 PM ET
Cooter, 11, next years first to Nashville for #4
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 28 @ 8:54 PM ET
think giordano from CGY could be available?
- isaiah520

They dont have many D men under contract at all. In fact I think they have Wideman, Giordano, O'Brien, Derek Smith and that's it aside from a few RFAs. If anything they might be the team willing to give Mesz a shot.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jun 28 @ 8:55 PM ET
Coburn for Hemsky would replace Briere


- Marc D

that would define dumb
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jun 28 @ 8:55 PM ET
Anyone watching NHL tonight, they are doing a piece on Samuel Morin. Apparently, the kid is taking boxing lessons. I guess he must idolize Chara.
aosplayo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 01.14.2008

Jun 28 @ 8:55 PM ET
Read and 11 get you to 6?
flyerscup2011
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Future lottery winner
Joined: 06.21.2010

Jun 28 @ 8:55 PM ET
I don't think Matt Read fetches a first round pick, especially going into a UFA year.
- Moose_15


it would also give them a full year of exclusive negotiating rights for a player they covet
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 28 @ 8:56 PM ET
just read that the flyers and flames have been talking, heard their gm has been "chasing" matt read for sometime, any way we could leverage that to getting their first 2 picks or am way off?
- flyerscup2011

incredibly far off. 1 year of Read under contract might get you the 28th overall. Even if they work out an extension there is no way Read is getting us the 6th overall.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jun 28 @ 8:56 PM ET
Read and 11 get you to 6?
- aosplayo


Try again
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jun 28 @ 8:56 PM ET
Coburn for Hemsky would replace Briere


- Marc D

Hemsky could not replace Danny B
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jun 28 @ 8:56 PM ET
just read that the flyers and flames have been talking, heard their gm has been "chasing" matt read for sometime, any way we could leverage that to getting their first 2 picks or am way off?
- flyerscup2011


That's beyond being greedy, maybe a chance at #22 or #28
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jun 28 @ 8:57 PM ET
They dont have many D men under contract at all. In fact I think they have Wideman, Giordano, O'Brien, Derek Smith and that's it aside from a few RFAs. If anything they might be the team willing to give Mesz a shot.
- hereticpride

yea, that's right. i was looking at teams that might be open to mez last week and i put them on the list. don't know what i was thinking tonite.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 28 @ 8:57 PM ET
it would also give them a full year of exclusive negotiating rights for a player they covet
- flyerscup2011

Lock me in an Applebee's for a year. I'm still not eating there.
Moose_15
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Rat Patrol, PA
Joined: 02.15.2013

Jun 28 @ 8:57 PM ET
They dont have many D men under contract at all. In fact I think they have Wideman, Giordano, O'Brien, Derek Smith and that's it aside from a few RFAs. If anything they might be the team willing to give Mesz a shot.
- hereticpride



As good as we've seen Mesz play, I don't think he gets anything more than a 4th round pick in return: 4 mil cap hit, lots of recent injury history. For a lot of teams, that's too much risk to take on.
aosplayo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 01.14.2008

Jun 28 @ 8:59 PM ET
Try again
- Just5



I have no idea what the value would be, but I have a harder time trying to figure out a player on Calgarys roster that would interest the Flyers.
flyerscup2011
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Future lottery winner
Joined: 06.21.2010

Jun 28 @ 8:59 PM ET
That's beyond being greedy, maybe a chance at #22 or #28
- ob18


not bad, maybe fucale or morin at 22
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 28 @ 9:01 PM ET
not bad, maybe fucale or morin at 22
- flyerscup2011

Morin is still a bit of a stretch at 22. If the Flyers got the 22nd and intended on going D with the pick, one of Hagg or Morrissey should still be there.

I think Morin is widely considered as an early 2nd rounder.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jun 28 @ 9:01 PM ET
not bad, maybe fucale or morin at 22
- flyerscup2011


That still might be a stretch to even get either of them but I'd give it a shot to ask
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 28 @ 9:03 PM ET
As good as we've seen Mesz play, I don't think he gets anything more than a 4th round pick in return: 4 mil cap hit, lots of recent injury history. For a lot of teams, that's too much risk to take on.
- Moose_15


Getting 4M in Cap space would be part of the return. He has one year left. Not much risk there.
Moose_15
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Rat Patrol, PA
Joined: 02.15.2013

Jun 28 @ 9:04 PM ET
it would also give them a full year of exclusive negotiating rights for a player they covet
- flyerscup2011


I suppose. But that's still a lot of risk to take on for them to give up a first. If Read were an RFA, and gave teams a little bit more control over his future, I could see him fetching a mid to late first rounder.

But without multiple years on his contract, if I were a GM, I would not offer up that much for a guy that could walk to bigger money after one season.
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