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puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jun 28 @ 11:34 PM ET
money
- cfish99



No that's not viable, Shero would rather have the assets & match his counter offer next summer.

I don't know how a sign & trade would be possible he's not a free agent yet, it's tampering
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 28 @ 11:34 PM ET
ok

no one brought up that point, I mean, why would anyone trust that trade otherwise?

Jordan Staal had a reason to want to leave, what's Letangs??

- puckhead17


Money.

Chance to be the faceof a franchise and get out of Crosby & Malkin;s shadow.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jun 28 @ 11:35 PM ET
I'm not the biggest Letang fan, but yeah, I'd take him at $7.5mm for 8 years. He is an elite offensive defenseman. Key is getting the two way game to be better

But any defenseman with his offensive ability will command that kind of money.

- Jsaquella


What is the deal with him and his problems qbing the pp?
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 28 @ 11:35 PM ET
No that's not viable, Shero would rather have the assets & match his counter offer next summer.

I don't know how a sign & trade would be possible he's not a free agent yet, it's tampering

- puckhead17


It's not tampering if the Pens give the Flyers permission to hammer out a new contract.

Tampering only happens without permission. If the Pens liked the trade enough, they'd have to give permission.
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jun 28 @ 11:36 PM ET
I'm not the biggest Letang fan, but yeah, I'd take him at $7.5mm for 8 years. He is an elite offensive defenseman. Key is getting the two way game to be better

But any defenseman with his offensive ability will command that kind of money.

- Jsaquella


He does play physical, so that is an additional element unfounded with the common offensive D men
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jun 28 @ 11:36 PM ET
I also really don't understand all the hate for Streit. Yeah, he's going to make 5.25 mil, but the offensive dmen command that money as you say.. on TSN, people are acting like we signed Randy Jones..
- Hextall271

one dimensional, over 35 contract, not great in his own zone. not a horrible signing, but one i would have passed on.
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jun 28 @ 11:36 PM ET
yes, but do you really want that new contract? Not worth it for me.
- ukeman


Longest contract would be 7 years, barring a sign and trade(no idea how that works in hockey).

10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4

Not sure on Cap compliance with the difference from year 1 to year 7, but the point is the Flyers ability to front load the salary helps them lower the cap hit over 7 years.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 28 @ 11:37 PM ET
I also really don't understand all the hate for Streit. Yeah, he's going to make 5.25 mil, but the offensive dmen command that money as you say.. on TSN, people are acting like we signed Randy Jones..
- Hextall271


The Flyers got a good offensive defenseman for few assets. I don't like the contract, either. But it is what it is. My main issue is the 4th year.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 28 @ 11:37 PM ET
Longest contract would be 7 years, barring a sign and trade(no idea how that works in hockey).

10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4

Not sure on Cap compliance with the difference from year 1 to year 7, but the point is the Flyers ability to front load the salary helps them lower the cap hit over 7 years.

- jstross


8 years is the longest the deal could be.
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jun 28 @ 11:37 PM ET
It's not tampering if the Pens give the Flyers permission to hammer out a new contract.

Tampering only happens without permission. If the Pens liked the trade enough, they'd have to give permission.

- Jsaquella


I believe if Shero feels the Flyers offer for Letang is the best, as silly as this sounds he takes it. It certainly appears he will not go past the draft with Letang on the roster if he isn't signed to an extension that he deems worthy.
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jun 28 @ 11:39 PM ET
Money.

Chance to be the faceof a franchise and get out of Crosby & Malkin;s shadow.

- Jsaquella


Money?, it's not like he wants $7.5 million a year & they offered $5 or 6 million

There's really no rumblings that he wants out of their specifically

I'd be very careful as Shero can fleece you before you know what happened
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jun 28 @ 11:39 PM ET
one dimensional, over 35 contract, not great in his own zone. not a horrible signing, but one i would have passed on.
- isaiah520


And if the Flyers don't trade Coburn they have huge minutes with Timo, Schenn, Coburn, Grossman and Streit. Now, it's up to the coach to use these pieces in the proper situation. A lot of NHL coaches would love to have those minutes available.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jun 28 @ 11:39 PM ET
It's not tampering if the Pens give the Flyers permission to hammer out a new contract.

Tampering only happens without permission. If the Pens liked the trade enough, they'd have to give permission.

- Jsaquella

story is rob rossi article, where the writer often passes org insider views along, stated paul martin was the pens best dman this past yr. apparently mentioned kris' shortcomiomgs...PO'd letang and took as an insult.
aosplayo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 01.14.2008

Jun 28 @ 11:40 PM ET
I believe if Shero feels the Flyers offer for Letang is the best, as silly as this sounds he takes it. It certainly appears he will not go past the draft with Letang on the roster if he isn't signed to an extension that he deems worthy.
- ravishingone



Crosby, Malkin, Sutter, Schenn........pretty freaking solid down the middle
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jun 28 @ 11:40 PM ET
8 years is the longest the deal could be.
- Jsaquella


I thought it was 8 if it's your own team resigning?
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jun 28 @ 11:40 PM ET
The Flyers got a good offensive defenseman for few assets. I don't like the contract, either. But it is what it is. My main issue is the 4th year.
- Jsaquella


I can deal with the fact it's 4 years.. I am way more worried about what happens to fill out goal and the D..
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 28 @ 11:40 PM ET
Money?, it's not like he wants $7.5 million a year & they offered $5 or 6 million

There's really no rumblings that he wants out of their specifically

I'd be very careful as Shero can fleece you before you know what happened

- puckhead17


Yeah, like he fleeced Calgary?

I'd be cautious, and I certainly wouldn't be going crazy. Shero's the one trying to move Letang, I'm just asking what the price is.
ukeman
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Yakety Sax, PA
Joined: 06.20.2007

Jun 28 @ 11:41 PM ET
Longest contract would be 7 years, barring a sign and trade(no idea how that works in hockey).

10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4

Not sure on Cap compliance with the difference from year 1 to year 7, but the point is the Flyers ability to front load the salary helps them lower the cap hit over 7 years.

- jstross

that's 7 years for $49 million. He just passed on 8 years 56. I think the overall would have to be higher. The cap hit will be closer to 8 I think. Too rich for me. I know he will get that type of money, just don't like it for the Flyers.
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jun 28 @ 11:42 PM ET
Yeah, like he fleeced Calgary?

I'd be cautious, and I certainly wouldn't be going crazy. Shero's the one trying to move Letang, I'm just asking what the price is.

- Jsaquella


He fleeced Carolina
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 28 @ 11:42 PM ET
I thought it was 8 if it's your own team resigning?
- jstross


If they trade for him, it is their own player. He's still got a year left on his existing deal
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jun 28 @ 11:44 PM ET
If they trade for him, it is their own player. He's still got a year left on his existing deal
- Jsaquella


Interesting. Even if the extension is agreed to before the trade?
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jun 28 @ 11:44 PM ET
And if the Flyers don't trade Coburn they have huge minutes with Timo, Schenn, Coburn, Grossman and Streit. Now, it's up to the coach to use these pieces in the proper situation. A lot of NHL coaches would love to have those minutes available.
- jstross

still think this is a shaky mix, where issues involve aging plyrs, injury history & mobility, esp if coby's out.
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jun 28 @ 11:45 PM ET
that's 7 years for $49 million. He just passed on 8 years 56. I think the overall would have to be higher. The cap hit will be closer to 8 I think. Too rich for me. I know he will get that type of money, just don't like it for the Flyers.
- ukeman


Depends. If Pitt's 8/56 is 7/7.../7 then the flyers 10,9,8.. front loads $6 million the first 3 years. Not chump change when considering interest and the reduction of future earnings comparative to inflation.
aosplayo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 01.14.2008

Jun 28 @ 11:45 PM ET
Man need a cold shower with this Letang talk. Hed allow everyone else on D fall into place.

Letang Timmonen
Schenn Coburn
Streit Grossmann



Granted they would move someone after that.

Ok Im done
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jun 28 @ 11:46 PM ET
Interesting. Even if the extension is agreed to before the trade?
- jstross


Sure, why can't Homer and the agent have a gentleman's agreement in principle. Once he is officially acquired, sign the paperwork. He'll get 8 years and a ton of money if they acquire him and a full NMC. I think he wants a little more money and a full NMC so they don't move him to bottom feeding team in a few years.
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