I am not comparing players. Just comparing who I am more worried about. Mcnabb may or may not work out. He is a prospect who I think could be a nice 5-6 def. Myers is a lkazy train wreck i gave 10 million to and comes to cam out of shape
- hafgod

I don't blame people for being pissed off at Myers or wanting to move him. That part I understand. What my issue and it's with a lot of the fanbase, is that people act like our other prospects are sure things. For all we know, Mcnabb, McCabe, Ruwhedel and Pysyk all bust.

how much does mcnabb cost u if he flops or does not improve at the rate u want.
Myers got a 10 mill contract and could not even take the time to get in shape to play hockey. I dont want guys like that even on my team. He is our core foundation def. Thats my issue. The original comment was I am more worried abot myers than mcbabb and i think thats right.
- hafgod

Myers is stil an NHL defensemen. McNabb is not. Even at last years rate he is still an NHL d. Not a 5.5 million dollar a year but a serviceable one. It's the contract you don't like and I get that. His end of the year interview showed light that he knows he has to dedicate himself. If he shows up in shape I think he will be fine. If he doesn't then it's a problem and he needs to be moved

Myers is stil an NHL defensemen. McNabb is not. Even at last years rate he is still an NHL d. Not a 5.5 million dollar a year but a serviceable one. It's the contract you don't like and I get that. His end of the year interview showed light that he knows he has to dedicate himself. If he shows up in shape I think he will be fine. If he doesn't then it's a problem and he needs to be moved
- Stripes77

The problem is if he sucks again this year he doesn't get you anything in a trade with that contract. Darcy always holds on to guys too long. If you can flip him now to get the #5 you do it, imo. What if it was Myers and the #16 instead of the #8. Would you do it then?

Who could still be there at 8. It's really all depends on who you are targeting. Move to the top 4 and I'd be okay.
- Stripes77

I agree. If carolina wants to move down, they obviously think drafting a defenseman at 5 is too high... If we arent moving to the top 4, stay at 8 or move back.

Myers and 8th for the 5th is too much.

Myers is stil an NHL defensemen. McNabb is not. Even at last years rate he is still an NHL d. Not a 5.5 million dollar a year but a serviceable one. It's the contract you don't like and I get that. His end of the year interview showed light that he knows he has to dedicate himself. If he shows up in shape I think he will be fine. If he doesn't then it's a problem and he needs to be moved
- Stripes77

Even if he has a bad year, someone will trade for him. I would argue that given his age and the length of his deal, he has close to the most value as anyone on the team. A team will definitely try and develope him if we give up

The problem is if he sucks again this year he doesn't get you anything in a trade with that contract. Darcy always holds on to guys too long. If you can flip him now to get the #5 you do it, imo. What if it was Myers and the #16 instead of the #8. Would you do it then?
- Pierceme69

If its the 16th and Myers then yes. It gives us two top 10 picks. Moving up 11 spots is worth it moving up 3 it's not

The problem is if he sucks again this year he doesn't get you anything in a trade with that contract. Darcy always holds on to guys too long. If you can flip him now to get the #5 you do it, imo. What if it was Myers and the #16 instead of the #8. Would you do it then?
- Pierceme69

He will still be trade able. Jeez how many teams have Chris Gratton chances to become that stud center he never was? Myers has rare talent. Teams will want their hack at developing him

If its the 16th and Myers then yes. It gives us two top 10 picks. Moving up 11 spots is worth it moving up 3 it's not
- Stripes77

You could also draft Risto, Nurse or, Zadarov at #8.

I agree. If carolina wants to move down, they obviously think drafting a defenseman at 5 is too high... If we arent moving to the top 4, stay at 8 or move back.

Myers and 8th for the 5th is too much.
- alexthegr8

in no way do you consider moving back. stay right at 8 if you cant move up

You could also draft Risto, Nurse or, Zadarov at #8.
- Pierceme69

If we could get Nuckushkin at 5 and then either of those D by giving up Myers and the 16 do it. But holding on to that 8th pick is key for me

If we could get Nuckushkin at 5 and then either of those D by giving up Myers and the 16 do it. But holding on to that 8th pick is key for me
- Stripes77

You drive a hard bargain, sir, but I like that plan. Nichuskin and Risto would be an amazing draft.

Hell if we want a total rebuild move Myers and the 16 to Carolina. Vanek and whatever minus the 8th to get to 4. Move the 4th and Miller to Colorado for 1. Take Mackinnon with 1. Nuckushkin at 5 and a D at 8. Total pipe dream since you would have to move the 8th with vanek to move to 4 IMO

If we could get Nuckushkin at 5 and then either of those D by giving up Myers and the 16 do it. But holding on to that 8th pick is key for me
- Stripes77

nice pipe dream, but not going to happen

You drive a hard bargain, sir, but I like that plan. Nichuskin and Risto would be an amazing draft.
- Pierceme69

My Darcyesque quality. Haha. Only thing I'd take as a compliment getting compared to Darcy. I wouldn't give them away just to make trades

Hell if we want a total rebuild move Myers and the 16 to Carolina. Vanek and whatever minus the 8th to get to 4. Move the 4th and Miller to Colorado for 1. Take Mackinnon with 1. Nuckushkin at 5 and a D at 8. Total pipe dream since you would have to move the 8th with vanek to move to 4 IMO
- Stripes77

What if Sekera and the #8 got you #5? Still against trading the #8? Sekera is a top-4 D. Maybe we need to include a prospect to make that deal though.

Myers is stil an NHL defensemen. McNabb is not. Even at last years rate he is still an NHL d. Not a 5.5 million dollar a year but a serviceable one. It's the contract you don't like and I get that. His end of the year interview showed light that he knows he has to dedicate himself. If he shows up in shape I think he will be fine. If he doesn't then it's a problem and he needs to be moved
- Stripes77

The problem is i think the sabres want him to be there foundation def. He is not

in no way do you consider moving back. stay right at 8 if you cant move up
- CaptPantalones

8 for 10 and 29.

nice pipe dream, but not going to happen
- CaptPantalones

Probably not but I think Myers and the 16th gets you close

So if we do move up to say lets say 5th and it is our 8th, roster D-man (Sekera) and one of our 2nd in this year and one next year...Would we still move back from the 16th and grab another 2nd for one we just spent.

I don't blame people for being pissed off at Myers or wanting to move him. That part I understand. What my issue and it's with a lot of the fanbase, is that people act like our other prospects are sure things. For all we know, Mcnabb, McCabe, Ruwhedel and Pysyk all bust.
- OneKaneOneCup

Those guys come and go if 1 or 2 of the four works out that would be great. Myers was Idenified as a foundation top 2 def. and I would like him traded because he is not what the sabres need

What if Sekera and the #8 got you #5? Still against trading the #8? Sekera is a top-4 D. Maybe we need to include a prospect to make that deal though.
- Pierceme69

I would be ok with that depending on who your target is. If its Nuckushkin or Monahan yes since they won't be there at 8

What if Sekera and the #8 got you #5? Still against trading the #8? Sekera is a top-4 D. Maybe we need to include a prospect to make that deal though.
- Pierceme69

That would be great

Want to get to 4. and then get to 1

Want to get to 4. and then get to 1
- hafgod

I think we need to get to 2 or 3 to get to 1. Colorado wants Jones but don't want to take him first

We don't even know that the price to move up to #5 is very high. Myers and the #8 would probably do it. I would do that.
- Pierceme69

I wouldn't
It's conceivable that whoever we'd pick at 5 could actually fall to 8
The top4 is prob set
Then u have Nichuskin, Monahan, Nurse & Lindholm...
I could see them going in any order 5-8
And I don't think any one guy in that group should def be picked above the others
Nichuskin prob has the highest ceiling, but he also has the most risk as well

We will def have a shot at one of those 4,
I'm not giving up on Myers for one of them in particular
But if We can trade up to a spot where Barkov is still available.....

I'd personally also put Ristolainen in that group bc I think he's already very good, and he is a nasty clearing the crease kind of guy "that often forgets that 7 crosschecks is 6 too many"
We need a guy like that IMO