Canek and 8 for the fourth i would do.
Myers 8, 16 and our #1 next year to move to #1 I would do
- hafgod

That's a crazy amount to give up for #1
ESP if u think we are honna be picking top3 next year like I do
No way I do that

We'll get our "superstars" in next years draft and the following draft
We are gonna suck bad for a couple years after we trade Vanek & Miller

What if Sekera and the #8 got you #5? Still against trading the #8? Sekera is a top-4 D. Maybe we need to include a prospect to make that deal though.
- Pierceme69

why do you make that deal though when they guys at 5 through 8 are all very similar ceilings? Just so you get the choice of guys?

Id rather use Sekera and 16 and try and move up. Or better yet, just hold onto him

That's a crazy amount to give up for #1
ESP if u think we are honna be picking top3 next year like I do
No way I do that

We'll get our "superstars" in next years draft and the following draft
We are gonna suck bad for a couple years after we trade Vanek & Miller
- jdfitz77

Im not one for trading up, but I sure your hope your right because 14 and 15 drafts are both significantly weaker then this year outside of the top 3, or in 15's case, the top 1

why do you make that deal though when they guys at 5 through 8 are all very similar ceilings? Just so you get the choice of guys?

Id rather use Sekera and 16 and try and move up. Or better yet, just hold onto him
- CaptPantalones

As per an article I read somewhere yesterday, the Sabres believe there are 5 elite picks in this year's draft. Drop off is at 6 then and picks 8-5 aren't equal in their eyes.

As per an article I read somewhere yesterday, the Sabres believe there are 5 elite picks in this year's draft. Drop off is at 6 then and picks 8-5 aren't equal in their eyes.
- GilPerreault11

I read the same article, but I disagree with them. I agree with them in that there are 5 elite players (Mac, Jones, Drouin, Barkov and Nischukin), but after them, I see 5 guys in the "very good" category (multiple all-star teams, #1 forwards, etc), those being Lindholm, Monahan, Nurse, Ristolainen and Shinkaruk.

I dont see much of a drop until around 15. Then it gets alittle murky

As per an article I read somewhere yesterday, the Sabres believe there are 5 elite picks in this year's draft. Drop off is at 6 then and picks 8-5 aren't equal in their eyes.
- GilPerreault11

I think that's about right.
vanek, 8th to nash for 4th.

in no way do you consider moving back. stay right at 8 if you cant move up
- CaptPantalones

Assuming that Nichuskin & Lindholm are off the board,
I happen to like Ristolainen the best after that
So if say Dallas want to trade up from #8 and pick Nurse (or whoever), and all we do is drop back to 10, + get #29 from them, then I'd do that bc I Ristolainen is prob still available at 10...
I doubt NJ takes a defenseman at 9, so if Dallas wants Horvat or Shinkaruk,
We may still even have our pick of Nurse vs Ristolainen at 10,
And get the extra pick

Why not do that?

I read the same article, but I disagree with them. I agree with them in that there are 5 elite players (Mac, Jones, Drouin, Barkov and Nischukin), but after them, I see 5 guys in the "very good" category (multiple all-star teams, #1 forwards, etc), those being Lindholm, Monahan, Nurse, Ristolainen and Shinkaruk.

I dont see much of a drop until around 15. Then it gets alittle murky
- CaptPantalones

Well, they get paid the big bucks for their opinions,,,just saying,

Assuming that Nichuskin & Lindholm are off the board,
I happen to like Ristolainen the best after that
So if say Dallas want to trade up from #8 and pick Nurse (or whoever), and all we do is drop back to 10, + get #29 from them, then I'd do that bc I Ristolainen is prob still available at 10...
I doubt NJ takes a defenseman at 9, so if Dallas wants Horvat or Shinkaruk,
We may still even have our pick of Nurse vs Ristolainen at 10,
And get the extra pick

Why not do that?
- jdfitz77

If that scenario plays out, then yeah I would likely do the same. But I feel Nurse will be off the board by 7 the latest. And Dallas will likely go forward seeing they got D prospects in both the Morrow and Roy trades (not to mention if Wennberg is on the board, we know Nill loves his Swedes)

Im on board with any of Lindholm, Monahan, Nischukin or Ristolainen at 8. I expect 1 or 2 of them will be gone

I think that's about right.
vanek, 8th to nash for 4th.
- alexthegr8

Still way too much
If we trade Vanek, I want it to be for multiple assets, not to move up
He can get us a very good return IMO

I'd rather let a team overpay to get Vanek,
Than have us use him to overpay to move up
If that makes sense?

Still way too much
If we trade Vanek, I want it to be for multiple assets, not to move up
He can get us a very good return IMO

I'd rather let a team overpay to get Vanek,
Than have us use him to overpay to move up
If that makes sense?
- jdfitz77

Agreed. I still would do Vanek and the 16th to get to 4 thought

Agreed. I still would do Vanek and the 16th to get to 4 thought
- Stripes77

sure we would. But Nashville isnt stupid enough to trade the chance at a franchise C, under their control for at least the next 5 years, for a 1 yr gamble with Vanek and a lesser player

If that scenario plays out, then yeah I would likely do the same. But I feel Nurse will be off the board by 7 the latest. And Dallas will likely go forward seeing they got D prospects in both the Morrow and Roy trades (not to mention if Wennberg is on the board, we know Nill loves his Swedes)

Im on board with any of Lindholm, Monahan, Nischukin or Ristolainen at 8. I expect 1 or 2 of them will be gone
- CaptPantalones

If nurse get picked in the top7 like u think,
Then two of those 4 will be available
If Lindholm is there,
I take him, no doubt

If its Nichuskin,
I take him as well, but he makes me nervous

If its Monahan,
I'll do that deal w Dallas, bc I'd rather have Ristolainen

But that's just me
I'm prob higher on Ristolainen than anyone else here
I think most would take Monahan given the choice

Agreed. I still would do Vanek and the 16th to get to 4 thought
- Stripes77

If drouin is available at 4 NSH will have crazy offers. If we move up it'd have to be 8th, Ennis, stafford, Sekera because I also agree u can get more for Vanek elsewhere. Do love drouin though...his backhand and vision does wonders for us

If nurse get picked in the top7 like u think,
Then two of those 4 will be available
If Lindholm is there,
I take him, no doubt

If its Nichuskin,
I take him as well, but he makes me nervous

If its Monahan,
I'll do that deal w Dallas, bc I'd rather have Ristolainen

But that's just me
I'm prob higher on Ristolainen than anyone else here
I think most would take Monahan given the choice
- jdfitz77

This is how I see the draft breaking down:

Colorado: MacKinnon
Florida: Jones
Tampa: Drouin (but damn good chance they go Nischukin)
Nashville: Barkov
Carolina: Nurse (unless Drouin falls)
Calgary: Monahan
Edmonton: Ristolainen (or Nurse/Monahan if they fall)

so it would leave Buffalo with the likely choice of Lindholm or Nischukin. In which I think they go Lindholm

Agreed. I still would do Vanek and the 16th to get to 4 thought
- Stripes77

Now that's tempting...
But don't forget,
The guy we'd be getting at 4, we would be HOPING becomes as good as Vanek

If its Barkov that's available, I take that risk
If its Drouin, then I don't
If its Jones, then I do it and try to trade Myers for either #5 or #7

I may be going overboard again though, haha

If drouin is available at 4 NSH will have crazy offers. If we move up it'd have to be 8th, Ennis, stafford, Sekera because I also agree u can get more for Vanek elsewhere. Do love drouin though...his backhand and vision does wonders for us
- Beezer33

I don't love Drouin like others love him. I really like him alot. He did play with Mackinnon so put him with Grigorenko and watch harmony in motion once they get the speed of the game down

Now that's tempting...
But don't forget,
The guy we'd be getting at 4, we would be HOPING becomes as good as Vanek

If its Barkov that's available, I take that risk
If its Drouin, then I don't
If its Jones, then I do it and try to trade Myers for either #5 or #7

I may be going overboard again though, haha
- jdfitz77

May become Vanek is better than losing Vanek at the end of the season. There is just something about this draft that has me anxious to collect as many top 20 picks as possible

This is how I see the draft breaking down:

Colorado: MacKinnon
Florida: Jones
Tampa: Drouin (but damn good chance they go Nischukin)
Nashville: Barkov
Carolina: Nurse (unless Drouin falls)
Calgary: Monahan
Edmonton: Ristolainen (or Nurse/Monahan if they fall)

so it would leave Buffalo with the likely choice of Lindholm or Nischukin. In which I think they go Lindholm
- CaptPantalones

If I were Edmonton, and the draft plays out like you think,
I'd have a hard time passing on Nichuskin
He would look REALLY good playing w Yakupov
Those two on the SECOND line... Whoa
And if they really wanna get crazy
Buchnevich will be available w their 2nd round pick
Nichuskin-Buchnevich-Yakupov
Damn....
And they can then trade Gagner for a decent defenseman at some point

If I were Edmonton, and the draft plays out like you think,
I'd have a hard time passing on Nichuskin
He would look REALLY good playing w Yakupov
Those two on the SECOND line... Whoa
And if they really wanna get crazy
Buchnevich will be available w their 2nd round pick
Nichuskin-Buchnevich-Yakupov
Damn....
And they can then trade Gagner for a decent defenseman at some point
- jdfitz77

They need more than one decent defensemen. I don't see how they not draft a d

If I were Edmonton, and the draft plays out like you think,
I'd have a hard time passing on Nichuskin
He would look REALLY good playing w Yakupov
Those two on the SECOND line... Whoa
And if they really wanna get crazy
Buchnevich will be available w their 2nd round pick
Nichuskin-Buchnevich-Yakupov
Damn....
And they can then trade Gagner for a decent defenseman at some point
- jdfitz77

That's true, it would be very hard to pass on a player with his talent.

If I were Edmonton, and the draft plays out like you think,
I'd have a hard time passing on Nichuskin
He would look REALLY good playing w Yakupov
Those two on the SECOND line... Whoa
And if they really wanna get crazy
Buchnevich will be available w their 2nd round pick
Nichuskin-Buchnevich-Yakupov
Damn....
And they can then trade Gagner for a decent defenseman at some point
- jdfitz77

If Tambellini was still in charge, Id see them doing that.

But MacTavish knows he needs either a D-man or C with size. And with Monahan gone, and too early for Horvat, he'll go with a solid D-man. Thats IF he doesnt trade the pick for experienced help. I wouldnt be shocked if we see that pick moved to Philly in a deal for Coburn and the 11th pick. Philly loves Nurse and Risto

Or we trade Miller for Coburn and 11. Then Coburn and 11 for 7. They get a defenseman, we get 7, philly gets Miller.

Might be the worst proposal yet, but you never know.

Have to step out for a little but, but lets predict 1 Sabre trade we think may happen tomorrow.

My guess: Stafford and 38th pick to Columbus for 19th overall

May become Vanek is better than losing Vanek at the end of the season. There is just something about this draft that has me anxious to collect as many top 20 picks as possible
- Stripes77

Don't get me wrong...
I'm all for trading Vanek and Miller
But if u use Vanek to move up, the we aren't getting as good of value for him as we would if we just traded him for multiple picks & Prospects
I think Vanek could get us a 1st +++
Or possibly even #14 & #19 from CBus for him if he agrees to an extension

Unless we can trade up for Barkov, who I think is the best player in the draft, I just want as many possible picks & prospects I can get