amazing

I think it's supposed to be a 10% raise. However, since the cap went down, the max. 2-way contract value could have also gone down.
- jmatchett383

It would likely be a one way deal, not a two way.

Are you taking my right to be angry away? And I don't think people are as much angry as a mix of deflated and confused. Its not just the Morin pick. It was sooo hard to watch Hunter Shinkaruk fall and Furcal fall, and knowing it would be a perfect time for the Flyers to trade and swoop in that take these guys.... I was there. I was saying... How are these guys still on the board...

Dallas lands the guy who I feel will be the best player in the draft in 5 years, and 1 pick later the Flyers go off the board and pick a guy projected around the same as the guy they picked in the 2nd round.... deflating.
- youarewrong

This is not a first amendment issue, Walter.

Are you taking my right to be angry away? And I don't think people are as much angry as a mix of deflated and confused. Its not just the Morin pick. It was sooo hard to watch Hunter Shinkaruk fall and Furcal fall, and knowing it would be a perfect time for the Flyers to trade and swoop in that take these guys.... I was there. I was saying... How are these guys still on the board...

Dallas lands the guy who I feel will be the best player in the draft in 5 years, and 1 pick later the Flyers go off the board and pick a guy projected around the same as the guy they picked in the 2nd round.... deflating.
- youarewrong

Maybe it's because I've seen too many "Can't Miss Kids" who missed and too many "No-Shot Kids" who make it.

Is it possible that Hunter Shinkaruk becomes a 500-goal man? Yep. It is also possible that he never plays a shift in the NHL.

I approach it like that on draft day, because, again, so many of these kids won't make a dent in the NHL. Ever. Not because of anything other than there's another draft 365 days from now, just like there was one 365 days ago, and there's only so many spots.

Not every kid the Flyers take is gonna be great. Not every kid the Flyers don't take is going to be awful.

But it's done now. It can't be changed now.

Let me start off by saying this is no indication on Morin. I think he has all the potential to become what they say he can become.

What pisses me off is the Flyers staying put to take him. I'm sorry, but Nichushkin dropped to 10. Flyers should have either traded up for him, or traded down and picked Morin, or Zadarov there. It was a bad pick, and you cant even attribute it to picking by need, because there were players that met need that were passed by.

Hell, it might have been possible to get Morin and Shinkaruk if they traded down... or Furcal... It just doesn't make sense.

Homer just put his neck on the chopping block. He is going to need to do something big to get his head out from under the guliteen. I'm still hopeful, just worried.

So despite it being a boring draft from the Flyers I still had fun. At least until I reached Mount Laurel on the NJ Turnpick and my Front right tire blewout on the ride home.... That was fun...
- youarewrong

You can't just trade up, or trade down because you want to. There is another team involved. And you have to be able to make a deal. In the Flyers eyes, it's not a bad pick. I don't see how this draft in any way, puts Holmgren's head on the chopping block. These players are at least 2 years away, if not more.

In short, it wasn't what he said, but how and when he did. Personally, my concern is with handing cap money and crease duty to a guy who's been away from the game for a season.
- BulliesPhan87

Too me it will be like riding a bike. He will be fine. As for his comments... Isn't it up to a team to decide what destracts them and what doesn't. I dont think this was the destraction as much as it was the blame for them playing poor after the Stanley Cup.

He put his personal politics above the team, above common courtesy, and above respect for people whose opinions he disagrees with. Even though I hold many of the same political positions.. I detest the atmosphere of studied incivility and downright hostility that has become the norm today when discussing opposing socio-political viewpoints. And yes, I realize this comes all parts of the political spectrum today.
- Doc_Sarcasm

If everybody who disagreed with my opinions here failed to acknowledge me, I'd have to start up my own blog.

This is not a first amendment issue, Walter.
- BulliesPhan87

I'm not leaving. I'm going to sit here and finish my coffee.

I'm not leaving. I'm going to sit here and finish my coffee.
- wolfhounds

For your information, the Supreme court has roundly rejected prior restraint!

Are you taking my right to be angry away? And I don't think people are as much angry as a mix of deflated and confused. Its not just the Morin pick. It was sooo hard to watch Hunter Shinkaruk fall and Furcal fall, and knowing it would be a perfect time for the Flyers to trade and swoop in that take these guys.... I was there. I was saying... How are these guys still on the board...

Dallas lands the guy who I feel will be the best player in the draft in 5 years, and 1 pick later the Flyers go off the board and pick a guy projected around the same as the guy they picked in the 2nd round.... deflating.
- youarewrong

No, he's exercising his rights to say that all the complaining is tiresome

Even so, it doesn't excuse the pick IMO. I can't call it BPA. He was raked below Haag in some scouting reports. I can't call it picking by need, because there were better same position players.

I dont know what to call this. And BTW, I'm sure they could have moved down if they wanted to... maybe not moved up, but they could ahve moved down.
- youarewrong

The Flyers drafted the BPA according to their list, not the fans.

Great. Then we'll have a goalie whose been out for a year and another who's been out for two.
- 77rams

I would prefer the Flyers to get Nabokov or Emery depending on price.

He doesn't exactly have much of a choice... not much leverage for him... if he holds out or goes back to Sweden, that could be the end of his NHL career. On the other hand, if he accepts, and plays well, he's still in line for a future payday.
- Tomahawk

They will negotiate a deal. The QO is just a formality.

amazing
- Don'tForgetTocchet

Yup.

If everybody who disagreed with my opinions here failed to acknowledge me, I'd have to start up my own blog.
- 77rams

What would you call it?

Are you taking my right to be angry away? And I don't think people are as much angry as a mix of deflated and confused. Its not just the Morin pick. It was sooo hard to watch Hunter Shinkaruk fall and Furcal fall, and knowing it would be a perfect time for the Flyers to trade and swoop in that take these guys.... I was there. I was saying... How are these guys still on the board...

Dallas lands the guy who I feel will be the best player in the draft in 5 years, and 1 pick later the Flyers go off the board and pick a guy projected around the same as the guy they picked in the 2nd round.... deflating.
- youarewrong

I agree.

i went berserk when the Flyers reached for Peter Forsberg when Alex Stojanov was still on the board.

Simon Gagne and the Philadelphia Flyers are talking about a new contract."We've had a couple of conversations with his agent, and we will continue to talk," GM Paul Holmgren said Monday. "We have interest in bringing him back, but limited cap space." Gagne has already said he is open to taking less money to stay n Philadelphia. He can become an unrestricted free agent on Friday if something isn't worked out with the Flyers.

Source: Philadelphia Inquirer & Daily News

We can do this sort of thing all day, but one easy one to look at is the case of Philip McRae, a second-round pick of the St. Louis Blues, 33rd overall, in 2008.

I was watching that draft, and boy, was TSN marveling at that pick. McRae is Basil McRae's kid, and he's got NHL bloodlines, and he knows all about nutrition and fitness and commitment. He's got far more skill that his father ever had, and an NHL body, and wow, that kid could easily have gone in the first round.

Five years later, Philip McRae has played 15 games in the NHL, scoring 1 goal and three points.

That's 83 fewer games than 2008 sixth-round pick Zac Rinaldo, who received a two-year contract extension a couple of months ago.

All the chatter, all the rankings and speculation and mock drafts...it's just noise. It should be fun to talk about, fun to dream and speculate about what these kids might do.

Instead, it's turned into this funeral dirge of what these kids can't do and won't ever do.

How does that makes sense to anyone?

We can do this sort of thing all day, but one easy one to look at is the case of Philip McRae, a second-round pick of the St. Louis Blues, 33rd overall, in 2008.

I was watching that draft, and boy, was TSN marveling at that pick. McRae is Basil McRae's kid, and he's got NHL bloodlines, and he knows all about nutrition and fitness and commitment. He's got far more skill that his father ever had, and an NHL body, and wow, that kid could easily have gone in the first round.

Five years later, Philip McRae has played 15 games in the NHL, scoring 1 goal and three points.

That's 83 fewer games than 2008 sixth-round pick Zac Rinaldo, who received a two-year contract extension a couple of months ago.

All the chatter, all the rankings and speculation and mock drafts...it's just noise. It should be fun to talk about, fun to dream and speculate about what these kids might do.

Instead, it's turned into this funeral dirge of what these kids can't do and won't ever do.

How does that makes sense to anyone?
- AllInForFlyers

I like you... a lot.

(was it Pierre doing the gushing?)

We can do this sort of thing all day, but one easy one to look at is the case of Philip McRae, a second-round pick of the St. Louis Blues, 33rd overall, in 2008.

I was watching that draft, and boy, was TSN marveling at that pick. McRae is Basil McRae's kid, and he's got NHL bloodlines, and he knows all about nutrition and fitness and commitment. He's got far more skill that his father ever had, and an NHL body, and wow, that kid could easily have gone in the first round.

Five years later, Philip McRae has played 15 games in the NHL, scoring 1 goal and three points.

That's 83 fewer games than 2008 sixth-round pick Zac Rinaldo, who received a two-year contract extension a couple of months ago.

All the chatter, all the rankings and speculation and mock drafts...it's just noise. It should be fun to talk about, fun to dream and speculate about what these kids might do.

Instead, it's turned into this funeral dirge of what these kids can't do and won't ever do.

How does that makes sense to anyone?
- AllInForFlyers

Word Up G'

I feel like some people are just playing "defender". "Flyers know best." Guess what... Sometimes they don't, and yesterdays draft was frustrating. Even Bill seems like he is holding back. The whole "dont want to judge until.." To me that is, I dont like it now, but only time will tell....
- youarewrong

I'm not saying they know best. I'm saying they know better then you do. And better then I do, and all the other fans.

How many complete games have you watched either of the first 3 players the Flyers drafted, play?

We can do this sort of thing all day, but one easy one to look at is the case of Philip McRae, a second-round pick of the St. Louis Blues, 33rd overall, in 2008.

I was watching that draft, and boy, was TSN marveling at that pick. McRae is Basil McRae's kid, and he's got NHL bloodlines, and he knows all about nutrition and fitness and commitment. He's got far more skill that his father ever had, and an NHL body, and wow, that kid could easily have gone in the first round.

Five years later, Philip McRae has played 15 games in the NHL, scoring 1 goal and three points.

That's 83 fewer games than 2008 sixth-round pick Zac Rinaldo, who received a two-year contract extension a couple of months ago.

All the chatter, all the rankings and speculation and mock drafts...it's just noise. It should be fun to talk about, fun to dream and speculate about what these kids might do.

Instead, it's turned into this funeral dirge of what these kids can't do and won't ever do.

How does that makes sense to anyone?
- AllInForFlyers

I am very intrigued by your line of thinking, I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

We can do this sort of thing all day, but one easy one to look at is the case of Philip McRae, a second-round pick of the St. Louis Blues, 33rd overall, in 2008.

I was watching that draft, and boy, was TSN marveling at that pick. McRae is Basil McRae's kid, and he's got NHL bloodlines, and he knows all about nutrition and fitness and commitment. He's got far more skill that his father ever had, and an NHL body, and wow, that kid could easily have gone in the first round.

Five years later, Philip McRae has played 15 games in the NHL, scoring 1 goal and three points.

That's 83 fewer games than 2008 sixth-round pick Zac Rinaldo, who received a two-year contract extension a couple of months ago.

All the chatter, all the rankings and speculation and mock drafts...it's just noise. It should be fun to talk about, fun to dream and speculate about what these kids might do.

Instead, it's turned into this funeral dirge of what these kids can't do and won't ever do.

How does that makes sense to anyone?
- AllInForFlyers

Bingo. Wait and see how they turn out, THEN complain.

Short-term, yesterday doesn't fix any of the Flyers problems for next season. So, to be entirely frank, the draft doesn't matter for another two or three years.

We can do this sort of thing all day, but one easy one to look at is the case of Philip McRae, a second-round pick of the St. Louis Blues, 33rd overall, in 2008.

I was watching that draft, and boy, was TSN marveling at that pick. McRae is Basil McRae's kid, and he's got NHL bloodlines, and he knows all about nutrition and fitness and commitment. He's got far more skill that his father ever had, and an NHL body, and wow, that kid could easily have gone in the first round.

Five years later, Philip McRae has played 15 games in the NHL, scoring 1 goal and three points.

That's 83 fewer games than 2008 sixth-round pick Zac Rinaldo, who received a two-year contract extension a couple of months ago.

All the chatter, all the rankings and speculation and mock drafts...it's just noise. It should be fun to talk about, fun to dream and speculate about what these kids might do.

Instead, it's turned into this funeral dirge of what these kids can't do and won't ever do.

How does that makes sense to anyone?
- AllInForFlyers

i'm with you buddy.


however, some people like to revel in misery.