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Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jul 1 @ 3:33 PM ET
CapGeek explains it nicely:
http://www.capgeek.com/qu...alculator/?player_id=1669

- Tomahawk

You think Gusty will accept their qualifying offer?

flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jul 1 @ 3:33 PM ET
Bill,

I'll be OK with it since they got Hagg. But watching this for months and the mocks and the video's, I know in the end they were still the same old Flyers going for the nasty player over skill. I would have still taken only R. Ristolein or R. Pulock due to toughness, leadership abilities and offensive skill with quarterbacking the PP abilities. This kid is a PROJECT and can't help us out soon. Pulock would have been perfect. One yr. at AHL, Kimmo retireS and Ryan steps into his shoes. What was so hard about that. Getting Pulock and Hagg would have been stellar. Remember due to the Flyers and their ways, it's still 38 YRS AND COUNTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

- bushhunter


Now that my friend, is a rant!

P.S. My dirty mind cant help but chuckle at your username.
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Jul 1 @ 3:33 PM ET
I can practice dunking on a 10-foot rim for 40 hours a week for 5 years straight but I'm never going to be able to actually do it.
- Tartan69



were you drafted by the nba?
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Jul 1 @ 3:34 PM ET
Even so, it doesn't excuse the pick IMO. I can't call it BPA. He was raked below Haag in some scouting reports. I can't call it picking by need, because there were better same position players.

I dont know what to call this. And BTW, I'm sure they could have moved down if they wanted to... maybe not moved up, but they could ahve moved down.

- youarewrong

From mid term until draft day all of those defensive prospects moved around like spilled marbles on a trampoline. It's all just opinion. It doesn't matter where he was ranked. All that mattered was the Flyers had him at 11 as the BPA and they took him. They held the pick so they had the only opinion that counted.
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 1 @ 3:35 PM ET
You think Gusty will accept their qualifying offer?
- Marc D



He doesn't exactly have much of a choice... not much leverage for him... if he holds out or goes back to Sweden, that could be the end of his NHL career. On the other hand, if he accepts, and plays well, he's still in line for a future payday.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 1 @ 3:35 PM ET
yes he has a highlight reel shot. But to say he is going to be a better defenseman than jones....i dont know about that.
- PhillaBully


I just think he has the best all-around game of any defenseman in the draft. They're born 3 days apart. Jones played on a STACKED Winterhawks team while Pulock played on the 3rd worst team in the WHL, and still managed to put up incredible numbers. They're both right handed. Very similar players, I just see Pulock panning out better.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jul 1 @ 3:37 PM ET
I just think he has the best all-around game of any defenseman in the draft. They're born 3 days apart. Jones played on a STACKED Winterhawks team while Pulock played on the 3rd worst team in the WHL, and still managed to put up incredible numbers. They're both right handed. Very similar players, I just see Pulock panning out better.
- jmatchett383


With Ristolainen, Zadorov, and Pulock all going to Eastern teams, we will get to see first hand just how good they develop.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jul 1 @ 3:39 PM ET
I dont know about pullock...My opinion is that morin is going to be better than pullock.
- PhillaBully


After yesterday's events. It is quite clear that morin is the better prospect over zadorov or pulock.

*sip sip. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh*
bushhunter
Joined: 03.03.2009

Jul 1 @ 3:40 PM ET
He couldn't play in the AHL as I'm sure thirty people will now tell you.

Pulock could turn out to be just another hard shooting average defender who doesn't translate his game to the NHL. What makes you think he'll get here faster than Hagg or Morin?

- mayorofangrytown



Again, 38 yrs and counting. What do you see the Flyers doing right to win a cup. You need skill, not just being huge and tough. Pulock shows great open ice hits. PP quarterback. Cannon shot, and he is the captain of his team.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 1 @ 3:41 PM ET
I think the most important thing is that the Flyers had a better draft than the Pens, Rags and Devils
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 1 @ 3:42 PM ET
I think the most important thing is that the Flyers had a better draft than the Pens, Rags and Devils
- PhillySportsGuy


Well, the Devils did draft Cory Schneider 9th overall.
And Uncle Daddy's son. Just wonder which sister is his mother.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jul 1 @ 3:43 PM ET
I think the most important thing is that the Flyers had a better draft than the Pens, Rags and Devils
- PhillySportsGuy


I think the Devils made out pretty well dealing for Schneider.

Weird situation in Vancouver. Luongo basically gets tossed aside, and now they are asking him to be their saviour once again. If its me, I'd want out.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 1 @ 3:43 PM ET
Again, 38 yrs and counting. What do you see the Flyers doing right to win a cup. You need skill, not just being huge and tough. Pulock shows great open ice hits. PP quarterback. Cannon shot, and he is the captain of his team.
- bushhunter


Flyers don't always draft the same kinds of players. Giroux, Carter, gagne, Sbisa, Justin Williams are all known more as skilled players than gritty ones
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jul 1 @ 3:44 PM ET
I think the most important thing is that the Flyers had a better draft than the Pens, Rags and Devils
- PhillySportsGuy

I thought the Devils did well with Schneider.
Pens got a real good goalie prospect with Tristan Jarry.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 1 @ 3:44 PM ET
Flyers don't always draft the same kinds of players. Giroux, Carter, gagne, Sbisa, Justin Williams are all known more as skilled players than gritty ones
- PhillySportsGuy


Giroux's had his chances and hasn't gotten us a Cup. Time to trade him and draft a player with REAL skill.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jul 1 @ 3:44 PM ET
Bill,

Also, after the Nishchenkin(spelling) went past Buffalo, my antennas went up. They should have traded with Dallas or NJ to get him. It had to be Dallas. He almost fell to us. I think they would have taken him over any Defensemen. How much would it have cost us to move one spot for Dallas to have given him to us??? He would have been great and we still would have gotten Hagg.

- bushhunter


I don't think Dallas would have traded once Nich dropped to them...
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
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Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 1 @ 3:44 PM ET
Again, 38 yrs and counting. What do you see the Flyers doing right to win a cup. You need skill, not just being huge and tough. Pulock shows great open ice hits. PP quarterback. Cannon shot, and he is the captain of his team.
- bushhunter



He's also smaller, slower, has less ceiling and actually regressed a bit this past year... he's not a bad prospect, but let's not pretend there weren't going to be tradeoffs if they had taken him.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jul 1 @ 3:45 PM ET
After yesterday's events. It is quite clear that morin is the better prospect over zadorov or pulock.

*sip sip. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh*

- Just5

sipping the orange kool aid?
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 1 @ 3:45 PM ET
Well, the Devils did draft Cory Schneider 9th overall.
And Uncle Daddy's son. Just wonder which sister is his mother.

- jmatchett383


Like I said. At least we did better than the Pens and Rags.
Trainfellow
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 06.23.2012

Jul 1 @ 3:45 PM ET
sipping the orange kool aid?
- Marc D


Is there any other flavor?
PhillaBully
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.20.2010

Jul 1 @ 3:46 PM ET
I just think he has the best all-around game of any defenseman in the draft. They're born 3 days apart. Jones played on a STACKED Winterhawks team while Pulock played on the 3rd worst team in the WHL, and still managed to put up incredible numbers. They're both right handed. Very similar players, I just see Pulock panning out better.
- jmatchett383



His defensive game needs a lot of work.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jul 1 @ 3:46 PM ET
Horvat @9.
- Tomahawk


Horvat went high because of Vancouver's need for a 2 way center. It was a desperation pick, and they got robbed of Schneider IMO.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 1 @ 3:47 PM ET
He's also smaller, slower, has less ceiling and actually regressed a bit this past year... he's not a bad prospect, but let's not pretend there weren't going to be tradeoffs if they had taken him.
- Tomahawk


No! Since the Flyers haven't won a cup in 38 years, we must do everything the exact opposite of what we've been doing.
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Jul 1 @ 3:47 PM ET
Imagine if we took Duncan Siemens over Coots
bushhunter
Joined: 03.03.2009

Jul 1 @ 3:47 PM ET
He couldn't play in the AHL as I'm sure thirty people will now tell you.

Pulock could turn out to be just another hard shooting average defender who doesn't translate his game to the NHL. What makes you think he'll get here faster than Hagg or Morin?

- mayorofangrytown



For some reason I think this kid has IT. He has a skill set of what we need. I would like them to wait a year and try and trade for him.
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