Hey, I posted an opinion which was in no way inflammatory and some nut case just attacked me out of nowhere. What dissent? You mean any disagreement here with FO decisions is trouble making??? Wtf, that guy has a screw loose.
- Q...argh

your whole tone is inflammatory.....and it is a widely held belief you have a few screws loose....

your whole tone is inflammatory.....and it is a widely held belief you have a few screws loose....
- UnnamedSource

Your wife beats you, doesn't she?

Not at all, and don't confuse me with the other Q...arrgh, guy.
- QStache

Godddamnit! I did it again!

My apologies.

Thank you, Miss Crabtree. Went back and cleaned it up a bit.
- John Jaeckel

lol. I can hear Charlie Brown's teacher now...
wa wah wah, wa wah, wa wah wahhhh

Your wife beats you, doesn't she?
- Q...argh

Just an observation...

If you're complaining that other posters view you or label you as inflammatory, your post above is a prime example as to why others think you are inflammatory.

The non-hockey arguments are getting kind of old gents, take it somewhere else please

Just an observation...

If you're complaining that other posters view you or label you as inflammatory, you post above is a prime example as to why others think you are inflammatory.
- EKolb13

Hey, I'm constantly insulted by people who can't have a rational debate without recourse to snide remarks or flat out insults. Find one instance where I've so much as gotten rude with somebody who didn't initiate it with me first and I'll leave.

Lol. I just watched the 1st video. I don't need to see the second.
- eburgio

No, you don't...because 8's jock is in row 25.

The non-hockey arguments are getting kind of old gents, take it somewhere else please
- rollpards19

Agreed. Time to start banning people who make personal attacks.

Hey, I'm constantly insulted by people who can't have a rational debate without recourse to snide remarks or flat out insults. Find one instance where I've so much as gotten rude with somebody who didn't initiate it with me first and I'll leave.
- Q...argh

we were all hoping the adios at the end of your post today meant you were leaving the forum....permanently......sad that it wasn't so.

It really is not that complicated.

This negotiation will center on Nick feeling like he is part of the Hawks big picture. The player getting an idea of the what the team will expect from him, what they plan for him to be.

Then there is the function of contract length and yearly salary.

If the prospects for being part of the plan are there, then the rest will work itself out. In RFA situations, comparable's carry a lot of weight. Yes, offer sheets are always a risk, but you are not going to qualify him with 1.5 mill salary. My guess is that the Hawks qualify him at 3 mill, plus or minus 250k. Two, maybe 3 years. Hawks would push for 3. Think of that bargain, should he continue to develop.

Does somebody come in and pay him more money than shattenkirk? He just signed for over 4 million and more developed. That would be a very risky move for a team. It is my understanding that players, and Nick may get an offer sheet greater than the Hawks offer, however, he does not have to sign it.

I may end up being wrong, but I have not been as worried about this situation as many.
- TrueGrit

But as has oft been speculated here...how much of keeping Leddy is about Bowman Jr. needing to massage his own ego...since the Leddy/Johnson for Barker deal was obviously won by Jr. ?

What are peoples thoughts on the bickell contract?
Also are you guys happy with bolland?

But as has oft been speculated here...how much of keeping Leddy is about Bowman Jr. needing to massage his own ego...since the Leddy/Johnson for Barker deal was obviously won by Jr. ?
- philco28

I agree. It's probably the biggest reason why he will be signed.

What are peoples thoughts on the bickell contract?
Also are you guys happy with bolland?
- RF_4eva

Bolland isn't on the team anymore

The salary cap will go up 10 million next year. and 3 to 5 thereafter. It will not be as big a deal. If you could signe Leddy for 3 years at 3 million. Take it. Will be a potential huge discount after next season.
- TrueGrit

Where are you getting these numbers?

No, you don't...because 8's jock is in row 25.
- philco28

Just out of curiosity is Ryan Hartman related to former Sabres tough guy Mike Hartman? Kid kinda resembles him a little......

I agree. It's probably the biggest reason why he will be signed.
- UnnamedSource

Agreed. I like Leddy. His raw talent is there for all to see. My point though is that if his agent tries to extort us (like Bickell's did), there are red flags (as there are with Bickell). The difference is...Bickell's paid his dues and showed up and DELIVERED in the CLUTCH. Leddy has yet to do that and as a result...big money..should not be awarded just yet.

No, you don't...because 8's jock is in row 25.
- philco28

Hey c'mon Phil, let's be fair here.

I'll bet I can find you several of those videos of Seabs getting walked -- BADLY -- this year. For a guy making nearly $6 large a yr. Or of Keith getting badly walked -- not so much this year but the intervening 2 between the last Cup and this shortened season.

I'm sure I can find the same kind of video on EVERY D on the Hawks, whether this yr or prior. It's just part of the game. It's the HARDEST position to play and play well -- and playing it well begins with the feet and the defender's ability to be able to move laterally quickly in any direction.

This is exactly why Olsen was a FAIL at the NHL level. You guys keep ripping on poor Nick. I get it. He's a young kid just 22 yrs old and learning in the most difficult league in the world on a championship team filled with top notch players.

IF Nick gets an offer sheet, it will be because smart hockey guys realize that Leddy's ability on the blades is not something that's easily gained. If it was, Olsen would be up here now. If Nick puts in the time -- trains, eats right, and continues to get good mentoring from teammates, he'll be a steal at $3M before the yr is up. You won't have to wait for an entire season + the way you did with Hjalmarsson.

Wiz or JJ, where is TT, last year's #1, and how close is he, where will he be next year?

Shouldn't we be getting along? The Hawks just won some sort of Cup. I mean it isn't like we are dealing with trolling Nucks, Blues, Wings, or Leafs fans after a first round exit.

Just out of curiosity is Ryan Hartman related to former Sabres tough guy Mike Hartman? Kid kinda resembles him a little......
- raybow33

Not sure..but i see Mike Hartman was born in Detroit and Ryan was raised in Illinois...maybe Ryan's Pops and Mike are brothers or cousins.

It really is not that complicated.

This negotiation will center on Nick feeling like he is part of the Hawks big picture. The player getting an idea of the what the team will expect from him, what they plan for him to be.

Then there is the function of contract length and yearly salary.

If the prospects for being part of the plan are there, then the rest will work itself out. In RFA situations, comparable's carry a lot of weight. Yes, offer sheets are always a risk, but you are not going to qualify him with 1.5 mill salary. My guess is that the Hawks qualify him at 3 mill, plus or minus 250k. Two, maybe 3 years. Hawks would push for 3. Think of that bargain, should he continue to develop.
Does somebody come in and pay him more money than shattenkirk? He just signed for over 4 million and more developed. That would be a very risky move for a team. It is my understanding that players, and Nick may get an offer sheet greater than the Hawks offer, however, he does not have to sign it.

I may end up being wrong, but I have not been as worried about this situation as many.
- TrueGrit

From Wikipedia:

Qualifying offers

The current team must extend a "qualifying offer" to a restricted free agent to retain negotiating rights to that player.

Players who earned less than $660,000 in the previous season must be offered 110 percent of last season's salary. Players making up to $1 million must be offered 105 percent. Players making over $1 million must be offered 100 percent.
If the qualifying offer is not made, the player becomes an unrestricted free agent.
If the player rejects a qualifying offer, he remains a restricted free agent.
If the player does not sign before December 1st, he is ineligible to play in the NHL for the remainder of the season.

Possible outcomes

If a player accepts a qualifying offer he remains with his current team for a one- or two-year term. The length of the contract is determined by the player. At the end of this contract the player becomes an Unrestricted Free Agent. While the player is in negotiation with his current team, other teams are allowed to extend Offer Sheets to him. Should the player sign a proposed Offer Sheet, his current team is notified as such, can no longer negotiate a new contract or trade the rights to negotiate and is left with 2 options, Accept or Decline. The current team has 5 days to make its decision.
Accept The player remains with his current team on a contract identical to that of the Offer Sheet. The team is not allowed to trade the player for one year.
Decline The player becomes a member of the team with whom he signed the Offer Sheet under all the terms of said Offer Sheet. His now former team claims draft picks from the player’s new team as compensation. Compensatory draft picks are determined by the player’s new salary on a sliding scale.

So, why would the fo qualify Leddy for more than absolutely necessary?

If he makes a mil and they qualify him at the same figure for another year, reevaluate him at this time next year.

If another team steps in and gives Leddy an offer sheet, then they can make a choice: match or take compensation.

Hey c'mon Phil, let's be fair here.

I'll bet I can find you several of those videos of Seabs getting walked -- BADLY -- this year. For a guy making nearly $6 large a yr. Or of Keith getting badly walked -- not so much this year but the intervening 2 between the last Cup and this shortened season.
I'm sure I can find the same kind of video on EVERY D on the Hawks, whether this yr or prior. It's just part of the game. It's the HARDEST position to play and play well -- and playing it well begins with the feet and the defender's ability to be able to move laterally quickly in any direction.

This is exactly why Olsen was a FAIL at the NHL level. You guys keep ripping on poor Nick. I get it. He's a young kid just 22 yrs old and learning in the most difficult league in the world on a championship team filled with top notch players.

IF Nick gets an offer sheet, it will be because smart hockey guys realize that Leddy's ability on the blades is not something that's easily gained. If it was, Olsen would be up here now. If Nick puts in the time -- trains, eats right, and continues to get good mentoring from teammates, he'll be a steal at $3M before the yr is up. You won't have to wait for an entire season + the way you did with Hjalmarsson.
- savvyone-1

And yes you can find the best defensemen getting 'turnstiled' however you can also find lots of video evidence of those same defensemen making great defensive plays, Leddy not so much. It's a shame that Leddy didn't have Yawney to teach him the finer points of playing defence as Keith did.

Just out of curiosity is Ryan Hartman related to former Sabres tough guy Mike Hartman? Kid kinda resembles him a little......
- raybow33

He is related to this guy....

He is related to this guy....


- UnnamedSource

Baseplayer from Edgar Winter. Great musician left us too early.