Can I just asked; Who Peed in your cherrios? I could understand all your anger and frustation if this was the Bruins forums... BUt the Hawks just won the Cup and your acting like they got swept by the Av's..
- victorymc98

You got the wrong guy. I'm not Q....arggh. I also outlined why I think something like that will happen and it has more to do with my distrust of Sheehy (and a little of Bowman's arrogance when it comes to RFAs) than any amount of urine in my cereal.

Leddy is 22: if he signs for 4 years / $3MM, that's $12MM in his pocket by the time he's 26 - just in time for the big one, if he's earned it.

If not, he's got the $12MM (or what's left of it, but should be a couple of million) as security, plus he still signs lesser contracts.

What Subban did was unusual - 22 year olds should take the security of a couple of years at decent money with time left for a big contract at 26-27-28 years old.
- StLBravesFan

I'm not sure the Hawks will pay Leddy even $3MM per year right now. I could be wrong, and it could end up being a great deal if he pans out. But at this point he might not pan out and we could end up having received Cam Barker for Cam Barker. I don't think that's the case. Leddy made a lot of real progress this season over last and he'll only get stronger. The one thing about him that makes me a little reluctant is that I'm not sure about his hockey IQ. To me, he doesn't seem to "see" the game the way Keith and Seabs, and even Hammer, did when they were younger. I'd like to say it was because Keith and Seabrook had Yawney, while Leddy doesn't, but Hammer didn't have him, either. I hope I'm wrong but I don't see the smarts in Leddy that I see in those other three d-men. Thankfully his speed helps him a lot. Barker didn't have that escape hatch to cover his lack of hockey IQ.

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The Cup-winning Blackhawks added Johnny Oduya in return for their second and third rounders, in a move that helped make their defense arguably they more mobile in the history of the game. By virtue of the great talent available in this year's draft, they were able to add more skill and grit by selecting Ryan Hartman. They were able to recapture a few more picks with their Cap castoffs, and jumped back into the second to take a huge Swedish defender in Dahlström, who probably was only there do to the fact he had concussion issue that forced him out of the international tourneys. In John Hayden who they selected with another captured draft pick, they see a big down low presence who can be mush much more once he gains a bit more speed. They traded picks in order to jump up and take Robin Norell before anybody else did. The Swedish defender is almost 200lbs. but a tad under sis feet at this juncture. He nonetheless has good up ice ability and a excellent three zone game. So far Tyler Motte hasn't jumped up to show prolonged excellence, and Luke Johnson is also a project. Lil Anthony is tiny but fast and skilled and fearless. There final pick was used to select one of their other sleeper favorites.Swedish defender Robin Press, who few teams viewed was seen by the hawks and they thonk he is big and talented.
- wiz1901

Thanks

You got the wrong guy. I'm not Q....arggh. I also outlined why I think something like that will happen and it has more to do with my distrust of Sheehy (and a little of Bowman's arrogance when it comes to RFAs) than any amount of urine in my cereal.
- QStache

Are you that annoying Q....arggh guy ....

Al...I do..and Keith still isn't and Leddy never will be either.
- philco28

Phil c'mon...

I wrote this blog back then and I can't tell you how many people complained Keith was soft and Seabrook played smaller than his size.

Factor in the kids age....players do change when they grow into the position.

Are you that annoying Q....arggh guy ....
- paulr

Clearly not. I have an avatar that says that I am QStache.

No No No NO...Sorry, Leddy is here because they see a legit upside and special talent. If not, he would be yesterdays news.

My history has shown a lack of interest in the ego speculation. This is a championship organization. Winning and success is priority 1.
- TrueGrit

The template is in place

Hawks prospect camp is July 8 through July 12.....No schedule yet....

Clearly not. I have an avatar that says that I am QStache.
- QStache

But I saw the Q ......

This. Even though Nick was great all regular season, his benching in the SCF will be a major card in the deck. You cant hand a guy redic coin bc he is going to be good. He deserves 2 mil a year for 3 years.
- nickmo2699

Holding on to Leddy if it comes at no great cap cost in terms of keeping guys like Kruger or Bickell, is the smart play, by a long ways
- John Jaeckel

Agree and if it gets really crazy Bowman takes the picks and goes looking for another dman.

But I don't think it will come to that....Kruger will get a nice raise and should be happy.

Unless Leddy really stumbles he can be traded in years to come as the cap goes higher.....Barker was tradeable.

Phil c'mon...

I wrote this blog back then and I can't tell you how many people complained Keith was soft and Seabrook played smaller than his size.

Factor in the kids age....players do change when they grow into the position.
- Al

Not to mention, on average, defenders take longer to reach their potential compared to forwards

This. Even though Nick was great all regular season, his benching in the SCF will be a major card in the deck. You cant hand a guy redic coin bc he is going to be good. He deserves 2 mil a year for 3 years.
- nickmo2699

He's 22
2 Million will not get it done......not even close
Many teams will take a chance based on a kid who is 22

Also remember he sat because the Hawks may have the deepest Defense in the League


I could list 10 teams that will pay close to 4 mil for Leddy.

Every Canadian Team just for starters.

You got the wrong guy. I'm not Q....arggh. I also outlined why I think something like that will happen and it has more to do with my distrust of Sheehy (and a little of Bowman's arrogance when it comes to RFAs) than any amount of urine in my cereal.
- QStache

Sorry, my bad.. saw the Q and ASS U MED

He's 22
2 Million will not get it done......not even close
Many teams will take a chance based on a kid who is 22

Also remember he sat because the Hawks may have the deepest Defense in the League


I could list 10 teams that will pay close to 4 mil for Leddy.

Every Canadian Team just for starters.
- PEIHawkFan

It's the $3.3 mill cutoff for the next compensation level of a 1st/3rd that's what Bowman will want to avoid.

Phil c'mon...

I wrote this blog back then and I can't tell you how many people complained Keith was soft and Seabrook played smaller than his size.

Factor in the kids age....players do change when they grow into the position.
- Al

Al..can you honestly say with a straight face that Nick Leddy is going to grow into a physical d'man ? Perry Como looked like a serial killer compared to Sleepy Nick.

He will grow into something...hopefully a quality puck mover, who is a lot better defending his own goal, but PHYSICAL ? Don't see it.

This. Even though Nick was great all regular season, his benching in the SCF will be a major card in the deck. You cant hand a guy redic coin bc he is going to be good. He deserves 2 mil a year for 3 years.
- nickmo2699

Some of you guys are driving me nuts. Everyone points to quick snap shots and snipits as some game breaker. Just not how it works. Guys are either projectable or they are not. When a guy has upside, and you have invested, you continue with that investment for a reasonable period of time.

Bolland scoring a cup winning goal mean nothing to his value. Player personnel professionals evaluate players and grade them out and compare that grade to a teams needs. Both tangible and intangible values. What many do not consider is the opportunity cost of the moves. That is what else is on the market to replace the skills you are trading or trading for. So if you get the closest fit, you pay a premium.

A situation like Leddy is a little more sophisticated than a pissing contest of saying...he sucks, he got benched. We don't trust him. And the other side crying cuz he did not get a chance.

Both parties know where Nick is on his career path. Both know the POTENTIAL upside and in the cap era, are fully versed in a teams constraints. To echo what I have said the last few months and what Al pointed out again perhaps more succinctly. There is limited options and leverage for Sheehy and Leddy. There is great risk in over reaching. That risk might be him leaving a great situation for the unknown.

If the deal is in the 2.5 to 3.0 range, you bet your ass the Hawks are pushing for 3 years.
i
The one thing not mentioned here is how fortunate the hawks were this year with injuries in general and especially on the blue line.

He's 22
2 Million will not get it done......not even close
Many teams will take a chance based on a kid who is 22

Also remember he sat because the Hawks may have the deepest Defense in the League


I could list 10 teams that will pay close to 4 mil for Leddy.

Every Canadian Team just for starters.
- PEIHawkFan

And it still won't happen, because there is huge risk on the other side of that deal. Shattenkirk just got 4 million. Way more polished.

As I pointed out, if it really is a game breaking proven RFA a team wants to offer sheet. Go after Petraangelo from st. Louis.

I will bet you a case of your favorite spirits that Leddy gets nowhere near that amount.

Are you that annoying Q....arggh guy ....
- paulr

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain ...

Al..can you honestly say with a straight face that Nick Leddy is going to grow into a physical d'man ? Perry Como looked like a serial killer compared to Sleepy Nick.

He will grow into something...hopefully a quality puck mover, who is a lot better defending his own goal, but PHYSICAL ? Don't see it.
- philco28

Keith is not physcial either. In reality, Leddy is more advanced than Keith at this age. Not making a direct comparison. Keith was 26 I think when he won the NOrris. To assume that Leddy will not continue to learn and strengthen is crazy.

He's 22
2 Million will not get it done......not even close
Many teams will take a chance based on a kid who is 22

Also remember he sat because the Hawks may have the deepest Defense in the League


I could list 10 teams that will pay close to 4 mil for Leddy.

Every Canadian Team just for starters.
- PEIHawkFan

Hawks having one of deepest Defense in the league should not be the excuse for Leddy to sit. Then Leddy is expendable. Is Rozsival better than Leddy? Rosy costs less than what you say Leddy is worth.

With today's cap no team pays Leddy $4M and gives up 1st and 3rd for him ( that is what $4M offer sheet brings Hawks)... I say let him walk and take picks...

Some of you guys are driving me nuts. Everyone points to quick snap shots and snipits as some game breaker. Just not how it works. Guys are either projectable or they are not. When a guy has upside, and you have invested, you continue with that investment for a reasonable period of time.

Bolland scoring a cup winning goal mean nothing to his value. Player personnel professionals evaluate players and grade them out and compare that grade to a teams needs. Both tangible and intangible values. What many do not consider is the opportunity cost of the moves. That is what else is on the market to replace the skills you are trading or trading for. So if you get the closest fit, you pay a premium.

A situation like Leddy is a little more sophisticated than a pissing contest of saying...he sucks, he got benched. We don't trust him. And the other side crying cuz he did not get a chance.

Both parties know where Nick is on his career path. Both know the POTENTIAL upside and in the cap era, are fully versed in a teams constraints. To echo what I have said the last few months and what Al pointed out again perhaps more succinctly. There is limited options and leverage for Sheehy and Leddy. There is great risk in over reaching. That risk might be him leaving a great situation for the unknown.

If the deal is in the 2.5 to 3.0 range, you bet your ass the Hawks are pushing for 3 years.
i
The one thing not mentioned here is how fortunate the hawks were this year with injuries in general and especially on the blue line.
- TrueGrit

It's a great point and i did mention that Nick played all 48 games and that should enhance his bargaining position. $3 years/$9 mil...MORE THAN FAIR.

Some of you guys are driving me nuts. Everyone points to quick snap shots and snipits as some game breaker. Just not how it works. Guys are either projectable or they are not. When a guy has upside, and you have invested, you continue with that investment for a reasonable period of time.

Bolland scoring a cup winning goal mean nothing to his value. Player personnel professionals evaluate players and grade them out and compare that grade to a teams needs. Both tangible and intangible values. What many do not consider is the opportunity cost of the moves. That is what else is on the market to replace the skills you are trading or trading for. So if you get the closest fit, you pay a premium.

A situation like Leddy is a little more sophisticated than a pissing contest of saying...he sucks, he got benched. We don't trust him. And the other side crying cuz he did not get a chance.

Both parties know where Nick is on his career path. Both know the POTENTIAL upside and in the cap era, are fully versed in a teams constraints. To echo what I have said the last few months and what Al pointed out again perhaps more succinctly. There is limited options and leverage for Sheehy and Leddy. There is great risk in over reaching. That risk might be him leaving a great situation for the unknown.

If the deal is in the 2.5 to 3.0 range, you bet your ass the Hawks are pushing for 3 years.
i
The one thing not mentioned here is how fortunate the hawks were this year with injuries in general and especially on the blue line.
- TrueGrit

So basically you're saying that we should judge you on your body of work here, and not on snap shots from individual posts? I kid, I kid!

And it still won't happen, because there is huge risk on the other side of that deal. Shattenkirk just got 4 million. Way more polished.

As I pointed out, if it really is a game breaking proven RFA a team wants to offer sheet. Go after Petraangelo from st. Louis.

I will bet you a case of your favorite spirits that Leddy gets nowhere near that amount.
- TrueGrit

My number is 3.3 x 3 years

If he signs for 2 anywhere on the planet you win

What is your number?

Keith is not physcial either. In reality, Leddy is more advanced than Keith at this age. Not making a direct comparison. Keith was 26 I think when he won the NOrris. To assume that Leddy will not continue to learn and strengthen is crazy.
- TrueGrit

Keith involves himself in scrums, protects teammates and will engage. He's not Scott Stevens' redux that is certain, but Braveheart Keith will go INTO THE FIRE...Leddy will hang outside and call 9-1-1.