I know +/- is not the greatest stat, but Vinny has been a minus in 10/14 years. Even in 2 years. A plus 2 one year and a plus 23 one year.

Anyone have the sabermetrics for Vinny last season?

He still getting paid by Tampa so I dont know how much money will play into it...I guess think that if at this stage of his career he would be better served joining a contender and taking a cap friendly deal
- nonpoint22

He might feel that way, he might also want to join a team where he'll sport a major role.

Friday is a huge day. Holmgren can't afford to have another trainwreck like last summer.
- PLindbergh31

Has-beens and never-beens and misfits... gotta love what NHL UFA has become.

Possibilities:
Trade Coburn, Read, 2014 1st for Mr. Fist and Hiller
Sign Leighton v4.0
Punch Bettman in face
Sign Lecavalier to big term big $$ contract
Sign aging "veteran" defensman for 2 years
- jmatchett383

$20 says Holmgren does all of these in the next 3 months.

Why do you say that?
- PhillySportsGuy

While Tampa was a purely offensive team, I think I like Lavi's system for offense a little better. Tampa relied on turn-overs and scoring on the transition. While the Flyers are full attack. I just think that is better style for a player like Vinny.

Has-beens and never-beens and misfits... gotta love what NHL UFA has become.
- Tomahawk

I have a feeling it's going to be a mess.

seeing how the flyers used there 1st rounder...Does Coburn and 11th overall seem like that much for Bobby Ryan anymore

I know +/- is not the greatest stat, but Vinny has been a minus in 10/14 years. Even in 2 years. A plus 2 one year and a plus 23 one year.

Anyone have the sabermetrics for Vinny last season?
- PhillySportsGuy

Defense is horrific and they haven't had a goalie for years.

Off topic, but:

Now that Phoenix has drafted Tie Domi's son, do they also need to draft Tomas Kaberle's son so that Max has a player to hide behind when challenged to as fight by the son of Luke Richardson?

I have a feeling it's going to be a mess.
- PLindbergh31

Be more specific please.

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FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Vincent Lecavalier ($5.000m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
Tye McGinn ($0.775m) / Scott Laughton ($1.107m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m)
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Kimmo Timonen ($6.000m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
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He might feel that way, he might also want to join a team where he'll sport a major role.
- BulliesPhan87

As much as I hurt me to say this Boston is the place i would pick if I were him they have some cap space and if he took a cap friendly deal he could replace Horton

While Tampa was a purely offensive team, I think I like Lavi's system for offense a little better. Tampa relied on turn-overs and scoring on the transition. While the Flyers are full attack. I just think that is better style for a player like Vinny.
- youarewrong

If last season taught us anything, it's that Lavi can't use the same system without good puck moving defenseman

I know +/- is not the greatest stat, but Vinny has been a minus in 10/14 years. Even in 2 years. A plus 2 one year and a plus 23 one year.

Anyone have the sabermetrics for Vinny last season?
- PhillySportsGuy

Green saber not bryz's red one

seeing how the flyers used there 1st rounder...Does Coburn and 11th overall seem like that much for Bobby Ryan anymore
- nonpoint22

Yes, mostly because Robert Stevenson isnt needed.

Steve Downie is UFA next year.

Would you guys want to bring him back?

If last season taught us anything, it's that Lavi can't use the same system without good puck moving defenseman
- PhillySportsGuy

But if we have a fully healthy group of Timonen, Coburn, Meszaros, and Gus, do we have a group of good puck-moving defensmen?

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My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Vincent Lecavalier ($5.000m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
Tye McGinn ($0.775m) / Scott Laughton ($1.107m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m)
Jay Rosehill ($0.675m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.000m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m) / Mark Streit ($5.250m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Erik Gustafsson ($0.851m)
Mark Fistric ($1.250m) /
Marc-Andre Bourdon ($0.613m) / Chris Pronger ($4.941m)
GOALTENDERS
Steve Mason ($1.500m)
Tim Thomas ($3.000m)
OTHER
Buyout: Oskars Bartulis ($0.100m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $66,954,022; BONUSES: $2,800,000
CAP SPACE (24-man roster): $145,978
- jak521

I like to think we would get a roster player if we dealt Coburn

I know +/- is not the greatest stat, but Vinny has been a minus in 10/14 years. Even in 2 years. A plus 2 one year and a plus 23 one year.

Anyone have the sabermetrics for Vinny last season?
- PhillySportsGuy

Adv stats seem to indicate he was average across the board for the most part -- standard numbers for an average 2nd-line scoring forward who's not terrible defensively.

Steve Downie is UFA next year.

Would you guys want to bring him back?
- MrBigglesworth

Only if Dean McAmmond id still around somewhere.
Dude had the worst possible consecutive 2 games ever.

Be more specific please.
- stveshdy

It's not a great crop of UFA's. Might see some overpayments on marginal players.

I agree. I find it slightly bizarre that people are already penciling Laughton in as the third line center or worried about having to trade him. Let him play a full NHL season first.
- Feanor

I watched some of his games this year in juniors. If you couple that with how impressive he was in his first 9 games as a Flyer... I have no doubt he will transition smoothly.

That being said, I think one of Couts or Laughton has to be moved for a young defenseman. Personally I think we can get more out of Couts, and I like Laughton's offensive game more. He was always moving to scoring postions, and hitting passes a kid on a 9 game trial should be scared to make. I was really impressed.

Its gonna be tough but they need to figure out a way to deal Mez....total salary dump I dont care...I would take a 7th round pick just to get his cap number off the books

It's not a great crop of UFA's. Might see some overpayments on marginal players.
- PLindbergh31

That's always the case when it comes to free agency.

If last season taught us anything, it's that Lavi can't use the same system without good puck moving defenseman
- PhillySportsGuy

In which they got with Streit, and Gus will be healthy this year.