They sign Elias until he's 40, but we're still crazy for signing Lecavalier until he's 38
- JAKEw1234

Don't try to make sense of it, man -- the hypocrisy that the Flyers are subjected to is enough to drive you crazy.

Somebody is going to give David Clarkson six years at $5.5 million or more.

Paul Holmgren signed Scott Hartnell for six years at $4.75 million.

But Paul Holmgren and the Flyers are the worst things ever.

Don't try to make sense of it, man -- the hypocrisy that the Flyers are subjected to is enough to drive you crazy.

Somebody is going to give David Clarkson six years at $5.5 million or more.

Paul Holmgren signed Scott Hartnell for six years at $4.75 million.

But Paul Holmgren and the Flyers are the worst things ever.
- AllInForFlyers

it's all about the mkt...that and prob harts desire to stay put

Patrik Elias signs a three-year extension that will take him to age 40, at $5.5 million per. It's an over-35 contract. But since Lou Lamoriello gave it, it's a great deal.

Paul Holmgren signs Mark Streit to a four-year contract that will take him to age 39, at $5.25 million per. It's an over-35 contract. But since Paul Holmgren gave it, he should be fired.

Patrik Elias signs a three-year extension that will take him to age 40, at $5.5 million per. It's an over-35 contract. But since Lou Lamoriello gave it, it's a great deal.

Paul Holmgren signs Mark Streit to a four-year contract that will take him to age 39, at $5.25 million per. It's an over-35 contract. But since Paul Holmgren gave it, he should be fired.
- AllInForFlyers

Calm down , Paul your job isn't up for review... Yet.

Don't try to make sense of it, man -- the hypocrisy that the Flyers are subjected to is enough to drive you crazy.

Somebody is going to give David Clarkson six years at $5.5 million or more.

Paul Holmgren signed Scott Hartnell for six years at $4.75 million.

But Paul Holmgren and the Flyers are the worst things ever.
- AllInForFlyers

It's not so much the cap hit that bothers me as much as the years. And though Holmer may not be the worst, he's certainly right up there with the years and the NMC's.

Calm down , Paul your job isn't up for review... Yet.
- JoeRussomanno

HA! Yeah. But it's that kind of idiocy that drives me crazy -- listening to some people talk, you'd think that Paul Holmgren is this crazy man who does stuff 29 other GMs would never, ever, ever do.

It's just not true. It's so ridiculous at times, it's asinine.

Patrik Elias signs a three-year extension that will take him to age 40, at $5.5 million per. It's an over-35 contract. But since Lou Lamoriello gave it, it's a great deal.

Paul Holmgren signs Mark Streit to a four-year contract that will take him to age 39, at $5.25 million per. It's an over-35 contract. But since Paul Holmgren gave it, he should be fired.
- AllInForFlyers

Who said Elias' contract was a great deal?

Patrik Elias signs a three-year extension that will take him to age 40, at $5.5 million per. It's an over-35 contract. But since Lou Lamoriello gave it, it's a great deal.

Paul Holmgren signs Mark Streit to a four-year contract that will take him to age 39, at $5.25 million per. It's an over-35 contract. But since Paul Holmgren gave it, he should be fired.
- AllInForFlyers

I agree....but I am waiting to see what happens tomorrow and the days to come....something is going to happen whether its being able to dump mez or making another big splash...I will wait to see what Homer does to decide wheter its time to move on

Cripes. Won't this guy ever go away?
- 77rams

Yes in 3 years.

Who said Elias' contract was a great deal?
- 77rams

Cause Lou gave it...it will be pushed as a great deal

Who said Elias' contract was a great deal?
- 77rams

That'll be the narrative -- I'm checking Twitter now, and not a single writer who has reported the Elias signing has said one negative thing about it. Not one.

I know for a fact that those some -- not all, but some -- of those same writers were KILLING Paul Holmgren and the Flyers for...signing an over-35 player to four years.

Cause Lou gave it...it will be pushed as a great deal
- nonpoint22

Lou has some cup rings on his résumé ... Which gives him some leeway.

Lou has some cup rings on his résumé ... Which gives him some leeway.
- JoeRussomanno

He just needs his owner to not miss anymore loan payments

Lou has some cup rings on his résumé ... Which gives him some leeway.
- JoeRussomanno

And I'll be the first to admit he has earned, and deserves, that leeway.

But at the same time, his team missed the playoffs, too. If you believe what you read -- and we shouldn't always do that -- but if you do, then their farm system is one of the worst in hockey.

They signed Travis Zajac to an eight-year, $46 million deal. TRAVIS ZAJAC.

I got nothing against Travis Zajac, but come on. His high in points: 67. THREE YEARS AGO. He had 20 points in 48 games last year. Twenty points!

If Paul Holmgren did something like that, he'd be getting killed EVERY SINGLE DAY.

That'll be the narrative -- I'm checking Twitter now, and not a single writer who has reported the Elias signing has said one negative thing about it. Not one.

I know for a fact that those some -- not all, but some -- of those same writers were KILLING Paul Holmgren and the Flyers for...signing an over-35 player to four years.
- AllInForFlyers

part of it is the semi-iconic status elias has in NJ, plus he's still very productive

Patrik Elias signs a three-year extension that will take him to age 40, at $5.5 million per. It's an over-35 contract. But since Lou Lamoriello gave it, it's a great deal.

Paul Holmgren signs Mark Streit to a four-year contract that will take him to age 39, at $5.25 million per. It's an over-35 contract. But since Paul Holmgren gave it, he should be fired.
- AllInForFlyers

dupuis signing for 4 mill until he's 38 is a hometown discount the likes of which the flyers will never see

lecavalier for 4.5 until he's 38 is the embarrassment of the league

dupuis signing for 4 mill until he's 38 is a hometown discount the likes of which the flyers will never see

lecavalier for 4.5 until he's 38 is the embarrassment of the league
- Don'tForgetTocchet

what?

what?
- 2Real

disparity in reactions to signings

if holmgren did it it's outrageous, if shero does it or lou or whoever, it's wonderful

HA! Yeah. But it's that kind of idiocy that drives me crazy -- listening to some people talk, you'd think that Paul Holmgren is this crazy man who does stuff 29 other GMs would never, ever, ever do.

It's just not true. It's so ridiculous at times, it's asinine.
- AllInForFlyers

Homler does do stuff that 29 other GM's wouldn't do. Sometimes it's crazy. other times, perhaps not so much. Time will tell. I don't believe either Vinny or Street gave us a desirable town discount. Homler overpaid for both. Maybe it'll work out. It still remains to be seen.

No other Gm was prepared to give Vinny 5 years at that price, hence, he's here.

No other team was willing to give Straight 4 years at that price, hence, he's here.

What I do know is by the time you're into your 30's, your ceiling has been met and your skills will not be getting better. By the time you're 35, those skills, either because of age or injury (potential or a culmination of those throughout the years), will slide even quicker. Therefore, as a GM, you're paying good money and taking up valuable space during those years for an asset that is quickly depreciating.

IMHO, never a good idea.

disparity in reactions to signings

if holmgren did it it's outrageous, if shero does it or lou or whoever, it's wonderful
- Don'tForgetTocchet

oh i get it :\ vinny was a great signing we'll see how streit plays out

Homler does do stuff that 29 other GM's wouldn't do. Sometimes it's crazy. other times, perhaps not so much. Time will tell. I don't believe either Vinny or Street gave us a desirable town discount. Homler overpaid for both. Maybe it'll work out. It still remains to be seen.

No other Gm was prepared to give Vinny 5 years at that price, hence, he's here.

No other team was willing to give Straight 4 years at that price, hence, he's here.

What I do know is by the time you're into your 30's, your ceiling has been met and your skills will not be getting better. By the time you're 35, those skills, either because of age or injury (potential or a culmination of those throughout the years), will slide even quicker. Therefore, as a GM, you're paying good money and taking up valuable space during those years for an asset that is quickly depreciating.

IMHO, never a good idea.
- 77rams

You're wrong.

You should read this before saying that no other team would've given Vincent Lecavalier what the Flyers did.

http://www.philly.com/phi...s_over_dozen_suitors.html

disparity in reactions to signings

if holmgren did it it's outrageous, if shero does it or lou or whoever, it's wonderful
- Don'tForgetTocchet

The vinny signing was just a lot of butt hurt fans from other tea,s

Homler does do stuff that 29 other GM's wouldn't do. Sometimes it's crazy. other times, perhaps not so much. Time will tell. I don't believe either Vinny or Street gave us a desirable town discount. Homler overpaid for both. Maybe it'll work out. It still remains to be seen.

No other Gm was prepared to give Vinny 5 years at that price, hence, he's here.

No other team was willing to give Straight 4 years at that price, hence, he's here.

What I do know is by the time you're into your 30's, your ceiling has been met and your skills will not be getting better. By the time you're 35, those skills, either because of age or injury (potential or a culmination of those throughout the years), will slide even quicker. Therefore, as a GM, you're paying good money and taking up valuable space during those years for an asset that is quickly depreciating.

IMHO, never a good idea.
- 77rams

We don't really know all the details, and Streit's rights were traded to us. No other GM was able to even talk to him, so we don't know what they were or weren't willing to offer.

what?
- 2Real

He means that $4.5 mil for Vinny Lecavalier would be how much you expect him to take for a home town discount.

It is frustrating when Shero and Lou get applauded for the deals they sign Dupuis, Elias, et al to and Homer get crucified. I do like that mostly Craig Button and someone else from TSN have supported the recent moves by Homer (Getting Mason, Vinny, etc). Even the Carter trade to CBJ was a great return. One of the them brought up Bobrovsky was seriously considering a move to the KHL and stated if that happened, Homer wouldn't have looked foolish.

I feel Homer is an above-average GM maybe if you had to rank them somewhere around 10-12. Of course, its hard because smaller-market teams have different team imposed budgets to work with.

Homer has won more trades than he lost and has tried to bring in free agents with the idea to win the Cup. He has utilized signing overage junior players and undrafted free agents like Gus and Read and going to the KHL to find Bob to make up for trading away draft picks.

Bryz was a mistake but I think some of that also falls on Lavi and Snider. If they employed a tighter defensive gameplan like we saw at the end of the season, Bryz may not have been exposed as much. Bob could have been in a mistake but we will see what happens in the next few seasons- how Bob does moving forward with the bigger contract and higher expectations, how Mason does, and how Stolarz progresses.