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coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Jul 4 @ 9:56 PM ET
Will they though....?
- Giroux_Is_God

Right? How much do they need to do? No much.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jul 4 @ 9:56 PM ET
4 each? What does everyone think razor will get? Giroux, while worth it, just got paid. I was hoping it would be less.
- coffee junkie


I was thinking it would be 2 each? We will find out tommorow
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Jul 4 @ 9:58 PM ET
I was thinking it would be 2 each? We will find out tommorow
- Just5

Seems cheap, where do I sign? Other guesses?
Orpik44
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Wooooo!Bring it on Flyer wussies!
Joined: 06.04.2011

Jul 4 @ 10:00 PM ET
Unnecessary to advise us of that. It's a deal breaker for Homer if not included in his contracts.
- 77rams

so true.

But Giroux's new cap hit will be for the 14-15 season right? That's when Timonen's salary will come off the books.
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jul 4 @ 10:01 PM ET
Right? How much do they need to do? No much.
- coffee junkie


I still believe if they move Coburn, somehow they are getting back a better d-man for his slot. Although to accomplish this change, doesn't necessarily mean Coburn will be involved to acquire his replacement in my opinion.
77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

Jul 4 @ 10:02 PM ET
so true.

But Giroux's new cap hit will be for the 14-15 season right? That's when Timonen's salary will come off the books.

- Orpik44


Correct.
moylander
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jul 4 @ 10:03 PM ET
I still believe if they move Coburn, somehow they are getting back a better d-man for his slot. Although to accomplish this change, doesn't necessarily mean Coburn will be involved to acquire his replacement in my opinion.
- ravishingone


i do as well.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 4 @ 10:05 PM ET
In case anyone was wondering, fireworks in AC were very good this year.
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Jul 4 @ 10:08 PM ET
I still believe if they move Coburn, somehow they are getting back a better d-man for his slot. Although to accomplish this change, doesn't necessarily mean Coburn will be involved to acquire his replacement in my opinion.
- ravishingone

I hope it doesnt happen. Team looks good. Lets drop the puck and assess from there. Anyways how much is Razor going to get?
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jul 4 @ 10:08 PM ET
i do as well.
- moylander


They have spent really no assets to make changes to the roster this offseason other then cap dollars. I have a few theories, crazy ideas actually. I really never thought they could or would be able to sign Vinny. I think that deal opens up a lot of possibilities now.
mydoglicks
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: downingtown, PA
Joined: 06.25.2009

Jul 4 @ 10:14 PM ET
g signed, emery a flyer, great day
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jul 4 @ 10:14 PM ET
They have spent really no assets to make changes to the roster this offseason other then cap dollars. I have a few theories, crazy ideas actually. I really never thought they could or would be able to sign Vinny. I think that deal opens up a lot of possibilities now.
- ravishingone

dream scenario- meaning unrealistic- would be to back up the truck and unload enuf to pry bogo from WPG. don't see us going the offer sheet route though...
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jul 4 @ 10:15 PM ET
I hope it doesnt happen. Team looks good. Lets drop the puck and assess from there. Anyways how much is Razor going to get?
- coffee junkie


Razor got paid $1.5 million for the Hawks. I have to believe he will get at least $2.3-$2.5 for at least two years, no more then three.
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jul 4 @ 10:15 PM ET
so true.

But Giroux's new cap hit will be for the 14-15 season right? That's when Timonen's salary will come off the books.

- Orpik44


And the cap is suppossed to up around 506 million.
phillydentist
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 02.20.2013

Jul 4 @ 10:18 PM ET
I'm slightly disappointed Holmgren couldn't get a deal that was slightly below market value for Giroux. IMO, Giroux isn't worth the cap hit he will get and the Flyers will regret it. I like Giroux a lot but I just don't think he's at the top tier. If it were up to me, Giroux would get Richard/Carter'ed before his NMC kicks in.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 4 @ 10:18 PM ET
g signed, emery a flyer, great day
- mydoglicks


Emery signed?
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jul 4 @ 10:19 PM ET
Hoping and praying read stays

I think vinnys going to do wonders setting up for him

Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Jul 4 @ 10:19 PM ET
How about this little guy


- PhillySportsGuy



Looks too much like Mr. Chompers!
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jul 4 @ 10:19 PM ET
dream scenario- meaning unrealistic- would be to back up the truck and unload enuf to pry bogo from WPG. don't see us going the offer sheet route though...
- isaiah520


I agree it won't be the offer sheet route. G and Vinny are the top 2 centers for easily the next 3 years presumably. In theory, you have 3 guys capable of filling the third center spot long-term. For me, the 4th line center should be a vet with a strong defensive presence and face-off ability (ie - Hall, and those guys usually can be found pretty easily and rather cheaply). They have assets to move that teams covet.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 4 @ 10:20 PM ET
I'm slightly disappointed Holmgren couldn't get a deal that was slightly below market value for Giroux. IMO, Giroux isn't worth the cap hit he will get and the Flyers will regret it. I like Giroux a lot but I just don't think he's at the top tier. If it were up to me, Giroux would get Richard/Carter'ed before his NMC kicks in.
- phillydentist


What price do you think he should of got?
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 4 @ 10:21 PM ET
I agree it won't be the offer sheet route. G and Vinny are the top 2 centers for easily the next 3 years presumably. In theory, you have 3 guys capable of filling the third center spot long-term. For me, the 4th line center should be a vet with a strong defensive presence and face-off ability (ie - Hall, and those guys usually can be found pretty easily and rather cheaply). They have assets to move that teams covet.
- ravishingone


I'm starting to believe one of the young guys (Schenn or Couturier) are about to be traded. I'm cool with it if it gets them a great return.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jul 4 @ 10:22 PM ET
I'm slightly disappointed Holmgren couldn't get a deal that was slightly below market value for Giroux. IMO, Giroux isn't worth the cap hit he will get and the Flyers will regret it. I like Giroux a lot but I just don't think he's at the top tier. If it were up to me, Giroux would get Richard/Carter'ed before his NMC kicks in.
- phillydentist


I thought an 8.25 hit might come with a limited ntc

Guess not. Your right. I don't like the deal.

The flyers brass in a sense want to believe he's worth that. Not much squeezing going on
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Jul 4 @ 10:23 PM ET
What price do you think he should of got?
- stveshdy

7.5
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Jul 4 @ 10:24 PM ET
I'm starting to believe one of the young guys (Schenn or Couturier) are about to be traded. I'm cool with it if it gets them a great return.
- stveshdy

The Hall resigning is fishy.
Yosimar89
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Joined: 05.11.2010

Jul 4 @ 10:24 PM ET
Will they though....?
- Giroux_Is_God

It's the Flyers, what type of question is this...
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