Seem to remember mostly the same group struggling last year. Vinny is an upgrade over Briere but not exponential. Schenn is likely gone in the trade.
- TheGreat28

Seem to remember that group getting older and better. It's a group of kids. They won't struggle forever as if they were all in their 30s. Our core players are at the beginning of their careers.

I think stl will ask for cooter and Simmonds + and flyers will be hard pressed not to give it. Uggghhhhh
- Just5

Couts Simmonds 1st

that where St L will start

If anyone in here says they would not do Couturier, Coburn a 1st and 2nd for Petro you are absolutely crazy. I would take that and run.

So, would you deal G straight up?
- nails

No that was a hyperbole, but you get my point. The price would have to be astronomical for it to not be worth it for our long term plans.

Couts Simmonds 1st

that where St L will start
- Marc D

If I was them, I start at G

If anyone in here says they would not do Couturier, Coburn a 1st and 2nd for Petro you are absolutely crazy. I would take that and run.
- Phifly10

I don't think St. Louis takes that offer.

Have to probably add Read to it.

Couturier, Read, Coburn, pick is the max deal for me.
- stveshdy

I think St L would want Schenn Bros, Simmonds and 2014 #1

If anyone in here says they would not do Couturier, Coburn a 1st and 2nd for Petro you are absolutely crazy. I would take that and run.
- Phifly10

Add Read to that and it's more realistic. But I would still do it.

No that was a hyperbole, but you get my point. The price would have to be astronomical for it to not be worth it for our long term plans.
- JAKEw1234

If all you dealt was G, and kept everything else in tact, you wouldn't consider it?

I think St L would want Schenn Bros, Simmonds and 2014 #1
- vejim

Probably not that actually don't need another defender, believe it or not.

I think St L would want Schenn Bros, Simmonds and 2014 #1
- vejim

I'll start looking for another defenseman.

Flyers new division has

Columbus
Carolina
NJD
NYI
NYR
PITT
Flyers
WASH

Only 4 make the playoffs.

With Columbus and NYI looking better, it is going to be a struggle to get in.
- Marc D

That's a good way to look it. Maybe one more big move is coming.

Add Read to that and it's more realistic. But I would still do it.
- JAKEw1234

If you add Read, I want to kep Coburn and replace Mezs

If all you dealt was G, and kept everything else in tact, you wouldn't consider it?
- nails

Well the problem is G will be paid $8.25 starting next season. The reason STL is rumored to be shopping Piet at all is cause they don't want to pay him over $7.

If you can get Pietrangelo without dealing Giroux, Voracek or multiple 1st's you do it.

If you add Read, I want to kep Coburn and replace Mezs
- nails

No just add Coburn and dump Mez to another team. He has no value to STL in a blockbuster trade like this. Coburn has good value, but taking Coburn out and adding Mez is the same thing as just taking Coburn. Mez is worthless at this point.

Well the problem is G will be paid $8.25 starting next season. The reason STL is rumored to be shopping Piet at all is cause they don't want to pay him over $7.
- JAKEw1234

Yup.
But, once the cap goes up and the lose mister over paid on the back end, they may be good with having a franchise center making that cash.

I don't think St. Louis takes that offer.

Have to probably add Read to it.
- stveshdy

More realistically would have to add another first round pick. St. Louis like 45 right handed powerplay forwards, so I dont think they need Read.

If you can get Pietrangelo without dealing Giroux, Voracek or multiple 1st's you do it.
- hereticpride

This

No just add Coburn and dump Mez to another team. He has no value to STL in a blockbuster trade like this. Coburn has good value, but taking Coburn out and adding Mez is the same thing as just taking Coburn. Mez is worthless at this point.
- JAKEw1234

I am saying that read adds the value that mez doesn't bring.
And Mez is an expiring contract.

Did they buy anyone out?

Yup.
But, once the cap goes up and the lose mister over paid on the back end, they may be good with having a franchise center making that cash.
- nails

who is the "lose mister"?

If anyone in here says they would not do Couturier, Coburn a 1st and 2nd for Petro you are absolutely crazy. I would take that and run.
- Phifly10

St Louis Response:

"

Thanks for the laugh Paul, it's always good to liven up these tough negotiations with a little humor.

Ok, enough with the jokes. Lets get down to business. What is your REAL first offer?"

Poll from NHL.com:

Which recently signed free agent will have the biggest effect on his new team?

Daniel Alfredsson, Detroit:
23.41%
Nathan Horton, Columbus:
24.42%
Ray Emery, Philadelphia:
21.11%
Stephen Weiss, Detroit:
18.18%
Mike Komisarek, Carolina:
12.88%

I guess Horton playing from December - April > Any other player playing from October - April...

I am saying that read adds the value that mez doesn't bring.
And Mez is an expiring contract.

Did they buy anyone out?
- nails

No they didn't. And we'd have to give Read and Coburn in the deal so just drop that thought. Mez will not be a trade piece involved in a trade that brings back anything of real value.

Add Read to that and it's more realistic. But I would still do it.
- JAKEw1234

They will want a younger forward who has more controllable years and cost certainty. Read has much more value to Philly than for any trade partner.