Gaudrea, Baertschi, 2014 1st. I like Couturier, but that's tempting.
- jmatchett383

Yeah, but I don't think it would suit the Flyers needs or plan to trade Coots for anything but a good defensemen right now.

that's very possible. jvr is really talented. and i know you'll probably respond who cares (because ultimately we're flyer fans not leaf fans) but they can say the same thing about trading schenn low for a player that's "falling out of favor." it can keep going around and around if all you're trying to do is squeeze every bit of value you can out of a player

it's going to be one of those situations that's interesting to monitor and revisit years down the road. my take: if schenn winds up being a solid contributor in our top 4 for a decade (which is certainly possible imo), jvr's gonna be hard-pressed to make me really regret it. meaning that if it's a "hair-splitting" type situation with a solid top-six forward v a solid top four d-man, i'm more than comfortable with homer having sided with d. different story if jvr turns into brendan shannahan or something
- FlyerMike18

I agree. I generally believe the trade will likely benefit both teams.

If St. Louis starts to entertain the idea of trading AP I think the best option would be to make him an offer sheet just like they did for Weber. That way you take other teams being able to trade for him out of the picture. St. Louis might match but you don't lose anything and you keep other teams from being able to get him.

Yeah. If the Flyers trade Coots i'd want a ready now dman back. Myers or Bogo would be perfect imo.

Don't worry, if a deal does go down with the Flames involving Couturier, the gaggle of apologists, and pole smokers will spend hours trying to convince you that you are wrong.
- PLindbergh31

we'll see how many defend a couturier to calgary trade

You're question is irrelevant that's why I don't answer it. Market value or not they made questionable moves again... And with this team lately the questions become the reality.
- JoeRussomanno

It's not irrelevant. You said they should wait for the "right deal" to come along. I'm just wondering if you can provide some examples of the "right deal" in recent UFA crops. I'm just curious because I'm not sure what you're referring to. Other teams obviously make them, and I was just hoping you could let me know which ones they were.

Agreed. They might not make the right moves all of the time, but they do their best to ice a team that they feel gives them a chance to win the Cup every year. As long as that pays off one time before I die, I'm okay with that. Kind of like with the 2008 Phillies...I don't care if they ever win another game because I got to see them win a World Series. That doesn't mean I don't hope the win (especially since I'm going today) but I can live with it if they never win again.
- jmatchett383

I don't think there's anything wrong with the long term frustration. But to point to that as why this offseason was a failure is simply being emotional.

His proposal is to move on from players as they perform well because market value is overpaying. That is basically the MO of the Burke-era Maple Leafs.
- jmatchett383

You're misconstruing what I'm saying and in light of your barrage of name calling which goes well beyond anything I did the two times I was banned I won't be a "crybaby" or a "troll" by responding in kind instead ill simply say if they're gonna go the youth movement and hand out big contracts to the youth, then do that but don't bring in more questionable past their prime players , it doesn't seem to work bothways

Yeah, but I don't think it would suit the Flyers needs or plan to trade Coots for anything but a good defensemen right now.
- mikel33

You know what...come to think of it, even the overpayment of Gaudrea/Baertschi, and a 1st still wouldn't do it. Agreed, nothing that Calgary has would want me to trade the Couturier. But yes, if a #1 or promising #1 becomes available, I'm not against moving him.

Streit struggles to defend, yea he can move the puck but again this struggles in its own zone. There's nothing moronic about my criticism it points out the weakness of the team and how they conceivably swung and missed again
- JoeRussomanno

The concerns put forth aren't moronic...the sheer negativity is. poopting on every single move, seemingly ignoring the rationale behind it as well as the need it fills is WIP level dumb.

If St. Louis starts to entertain the idea of trading AP I think the best option would be to make him an offer sheet just like they did for Weber. That way you take other teams being able to trade for him out of the picture. St. Louis might match but you don't lose anything and you keep other teams from being able to get him.
- youarewrong

Agree. You also put STL between a rock and a hard place. Match the $54M 7 yr deal or take our proposal. Simple as that. If they match, we lost nothing and they paid a lot more than they wanted to.

I am excited to see what the new faces can bring to the hockey team. I want to see the product before I bash the moves that were made. I think the moves made will benefit the team, remember the team has not played 1 game as of yet. Lets give it time before we bash the moves.

You're misconstruing what I'm saying and in light of your barrage of name calling which goes well beyond anything I did the two times I was banned I won't be a "crybaby" or a "troll" by responding in kind instead ill simply say if they're gonna go the youth movement and hand out big contracts to the youth, then do that but don't bring in more questionable past their prime players , it doesn't seem to work bothways
- JoeRussomanno

So you would have no problem if they only "overpiad" for Giroux, but it's a bad deal because they also "overpaid" for Streit and Vinny L?

So you would have no problem if they only "overpiad" for Giroux, but it's a bad deal because they also "overpaid" for Streit and Vinny L?
- jmatchett383

Giroux's not past his prime... DUH.

There's nothing the Flames can do to make me like any deal for Couturier. Absolutely nothing.
- Deasr1

monahan!

Gaudrea, Baertschi, 2014 1st. I like Couturier, but that's tempting.
- jmatchett383

Right now for the Flyers, this would be a deal to consider. They get more creativity and speed for the wings and would slot Laughton in at 3rd center.

I'd also consider Couts or Schenn to Edmonton for Nurse and MPS. Not sure they would trade him after just drafting him, but it would seem to benefit both teams really well.

The guy I really want though would be Beaulieu. I brought his name up a few months ago. I read some of the chat last night regarding the rumor. I don't think that package really works for the Flyers for the reasons JSaq mentioned. Problem is both Montreal and Flyers are center-heavy, which is why a 3rd team would need to be involved.

The concerns put forth aren't moronic...the sheer negativity is. poopting on every single move, seemingly ignoring the rationale behind it as well as the need it fills is WIP level dumb.
- Jsaquella

Agreed. It's approaching the simple "Bryz sux" level.

Yeah. If the Flyers trade Coots i'd want a ready now dman back. Myers or Bogo would be perfect imo.
- idiotsallofu

Meyers, in my opinion is Courn. Bogo is good and young, but I don't know if he'll turn out to be worth it. Couturier isn't untouchable, but his potential is do high, I'd be afraid to lose that.

Right now for the Flyers, this would be a deal to consider. They get more creativity and speed for the wings and would slot Laughton in at 3rd center.

I'd also consider Couts or Schenn to Edmonton for Nurse and MPS. Not sure they would trade him after just drafting him, but it would seem to benefit both teams really well.

The guy I really want though would be Beaulieu. I brought his name up a few months ago. I read some of the chat last night regarding the rumor. I don't think that package really works for the Flyers for the reasons JSaq mentioned. Problem is both Montreal and Flyers are center-heavy, which is why a 3rd team would need to be involved.
- TheGreat28

Not rumor here, just a proposal: Pulock and Grabner for Couturier, Read, and Coburn? Yea or nay?

Don't worry, if a deal does go down with the Flames involving Couturier, the gaggle of apologists, and pole smokers will spend hours trying to convince you that you are wrong.
- PLindbergh31

wow

Agree. You also put STL between a rock and a hard place. Match the $54M 7 yr deal or take our proposal. Simple as that. If they match, we lost nothing and they paid a lot more than they wanted to.
- phillydentist

Flyers would need to shed some salary first as you need to have the cap space available to do this.

I'd love to have AP on this team, but I'm still with Bill and others that at the current stage it's a pipe dream. However, I'm not silly enough to think that Homer isn't doing due diligence into how he could make this happen.

Agree. You also put STL between a rock and a hard place. Match the $54M 7 yr deal or take our proposal. Simple as that. If they match, we lost nothing and they paid a lot more than they wanted to.
- phillydentist

That's an option, I'm guessing, that Homer entertained at some point.

we'll see how many defend a couturier to calgary trade
- FlyerMike18

i hope not

Flyers would need to shed some salary first as you need to have the cap space available to do this.

I'd love to have AP on this team, but I'm still with Bill and others that at the current stage it's a pipe dream. However, I'm not silly enough to think that Homer isn't doing due diligence into how he could make this happen.
- xpsana

I'm not a fan of the ridiculous offer sheets, as you have to think it will start to alienate Homer. Also, we're all assuming that AP would agree to it, when he very well might not want to. That said, if it keeps him away from any other teams, I'm all for it.

It's not irrelevant. You said they should wait for the "right deal" to come along. I'm just wondering if you can provide some examples of the "right deal" in recent UFA crops. I'm just curious because I'm not sure what you're referring to. Other teams obviously make them, and I was just hoping you could let me know which ones they were.
- jmatchett383

See we're still trying to keep up with the joneses and getting burned. Now maybe Parise and sutter were always going to land in Minnesota albeit slightly overpaid but there's two types of players the flyers just bumped themselves out of the running for with these recent contracts should such players become available. Lets be honest the flyers got good again in the short term, not the long term again.