RFA's can receive offers from any team. And it's not let's just give him money it's lets pay him now to avoid losing him as a UFA in a few years.
- Hype97

You need to understand the difference between negotiating a contract and receiving an Offer Sheet. There's a huge difference.

Offer sheets are not negotiated...they're OFFERED. They can either be accepted or refused...but they're not negotiated.

Edit - And the QO entitles them to compensation.
- djamon

A sheet is offered. Player says no. Team ups offer and sends again. Player responds. It's not a one shot deal and the player can speak with the team making the offer.

Exactly. Thank you for pointing out the glaring disconnect in some of the reasoning in this thread.

Some Blues fans want the world for Pietrangelo in trade but defend not having him signed by now because management wants to save a couple bucks?
- wolfhounds

That's the point.

I do not think AP will be moved but it will be interesting to see who is moved because currently the Blues cannot fit AP, Stewart, and Jake Allen under the cap.
- Yeah Boyes

I thought they tried to move one or both of Halak and Elliot already but the goalie market was so saturated they couldn't get it done. I don't think Allen is going anywhere.

Offer sheets are not negotiated...they're OFFERED. They can either be accepted or refused...but they're not negotiated.

Edit - And the QO entitles them to compensation.
- djamon

Yes because all agents, players and teams follow the rules. It might not be allowed to be negotiated, but it is.

So ensuring you have a 1st round draft pick in a draft you are hosting is more important than making your team better?
- drummer829

No

A sheet is offered. Player says no. Team ups offer and sends again. Player responds. It's not a one shot deal and the player can speak with the team making the offer.
- Hype97

I believe this is false. When a team Qualifies an RFA that player is still under contract to the team. He is NOT free to negotiate with another team and no team is allowed to contact him.

I said plausible options. None of those teams is plausible. They're either rebuilding, low spending, or in OTT and WPG cases, already have depth on D so they won't spend almost 10M on AP. STL is right to stay at Doughty/Karlsson money, because the odds of AP receiving an unmatchable offer sheet are very low.
- isles10289

A young franchise D-man wouldn't be part of a good rebuild? I understand the low spending teams may not have the money to offer that's why I said Cap wise have the money. But if I'm doing a rebuild and have the space a young defender not in his prime sounds good to me to build a team around.

I thought they tried to move one or both of Halak and Elliot already but the goalie market was so saturated they couldn't get it done. I don't think Allen is going anywhere.
- djamon

Halak was definetly on the block for awhile. Now it appears the plan is to enter camp with all three goalies. But they would have to go over the cap to sign AP, Stewart, and Allen. They have just under 10M in space.

I believe this is false. When a team Qualifies an RFA that player is still under contract to the team. He is NOT free to negotiate with another team and no team is allowed to contact him.
- djamon

I believe the qualifier only prevents him from becoming a UFA if he holds out. A qualifying offer is a minimum that needs to be offered or the player can go UFA it's not a contract unless it is accepted. It was pretty well known that Weber was in Philly prior to accepting the offer sheet. Considering the NHL didn't nail them with a huge fine I'd say the player was ok to talk to other teams.

A young franchise D-man wouldn't be part of a good rebuild? I understand the low spending teams may not have the money to offer that's why I said Cap wise have the money. But if I'm doing a rebuild and have the space a young defender not in his prime sounds good to me to build a team around.
- Hype97

Not one making $10M a year- lets face it, any less it getting matched. Is COL gonna do that? No way. Calgary? Nope. No one is gonna do that- I should say, the odds are very against it. Which is why Armstrong is smart to sit at 6.5-7.

I do not think AP will be moved but it will be interesting to see who is moved because currently the Blues cannot fit AP, Stewart, and Jake Allen under the cap.
- Yeah Boyes

I think Perron is the best bet to be moved. Oshie or Stewart are possible as well... but Perron just doesn't fit our system the way Oshie and Stewart do. I'd say a RW is more likely given prospect depth, but Oshie is such a fan favorite and good fit with Hitch, and Stewart is a 30 goal power forward, which is rare.

Not one making $10M a year- lets face it, any less it getting matched. Is COL gonna do that? No way. Calgary? Nope. No one is gonna do that- I should say, the odds are very against it. Which is why Armstrong is smart to sit at 6.5-7.
- isles10289

Like I said, those teams could doesn't mean they should. I'm not even saying I think it will happen. Just that it remains a possibility.

Halak was definetly on the block for awhile. Now it appears the plan is to enter camp with all three goalies. But they would have to go over the cap to sign AP, Stewart, and Allen. They have just under 10M in space.
- Yeah Boyes

As an Islanders fan (and GM on HockeyBuzz), the Isles would take Halak if the price in players/picks was low enough- essentially just to give STL cap space?

If only it was just a 1st round pick. lol

Like I said, those teams could doesn't mean they should. I'm not even saying I think it will happen. Just that it remains a possibility.
- Hype97

An extremely small possibility. Which is why, as a GM, you call that bluff and get your guy signed to a good deal.

I believe the qualifier only prevents him from becoming a UFA if he holds out. A qualifying offer is a minimum that needs to be offered or the player can go UFA it's not a contract unless it is accepted. It was pretty well known that Weber was in Philly prior to accepting the offer sheet. Considering the NHL didn't nail them with a huge fine I'd say the player was ok to talk to other teams.
- Hype97

Rumours mean nothing here. Any RFA who is Qualified by his team is NOT free to negotiate with another team. Period.

I can't get much clearer on this. I'm not making it up, I researched it.

"Qualifying offers[edit]
The current team must extend a "qualifying offer" to a restricted free agent to retain negotiating rights to that player.

Players who earned less than $660,000 in the previous season must be offered 110 percent of last season's salary. Players making up to $1 million must be offered 105 percent. Players making over $1 million must be offered 100 percent.

If the qualifying offer is not made, the player becomes an unrestricted free agent.

If the player rejects a qualifying offer, he remains a restricted free agent.

If the player does not sign before December 1st, he is ineligible to play in the NHL for the remainder of the season.

As an Islanders fan (and GM on HockeyBuzz), the Isles would take Halak if the price in players/picks was low enough- essentially just to give STL cap space?
- isles10289

It would give cap space yes, but also we do not need to carry 3 goalies. Halak was also unhappy with his playing time in the playoffs. But trading Halak would remove our player with the most pun-agreeable name.

Rumours mean nothing here. Any RFA who is Qualified by his team is NOT free to negotiate with another team. Period.

I can't get much clearer on this. I'm not making it up, I researched it.

"Qualifying offers
- djamon[edit]
The current team must extend a "qualifying offer" to a restricted free agent to retain negotiating rights to that player.

Players who earned less than $660,000 in the previous season must be offered 110 percent of last season's salary. Players making up to $1 million must be offered 105 percent. Players making over $1 million must be offered 100 percent.

If the qualifying offer is not made, the player becomes an unrestricted free agent.

If the player rejects a qualifying offer, he remains a restricted free agent.

If the player does not sign before December 1st, he is ineligible to play in the NHL for the remainder of the season.

Lol rumors mean nothing on Eklund's rumor website that he made to talk about rumors.

When it says retain negotiating rights it means keep them from restricted free agency.

An offer sheet might as well be negotiation. If they reject you can just offer more. It's a paper negotiation instead of a verbal. Not a huge difference.

As an Islanders fan (and GM on HockeyBuzz), the Isles would take Halak if the price in players/picks was low enough- essentially just to give STL cap space?
- isles10289

I don't think we trade a goalie just for cap space. We can get that from trading someone like Perron, and Allen can be sent to the AHL.

Rumours mean nothing here. Any RFA who is Qualified by his team is NOT free to negotiate with another team. Period.

I can't get much clearer on this. I'm not making it up, I researched it.

"Qualifying offers
- djamon[edit]
The current team must extend a "qualifying offer" to a restricted free agent to retain negotiating rights to that player.

Players who earned less than $660,000 in the previous season must be offered 110 percent of last season's salary. Players making up to $1 million must be offered 105 percent. Players making over $1 million must be offered 100 percent.

If the qualifying offer is not made, the player becomes an unrestricted free agent.

If the player rejects a qualifying offer, he remains a restricted free agent.

If the player does not sign before December 1st, he is ineligible to play in the NHL for the remainder of the season.

Maybe read all of it when doing your research next time.... See the explanation of offer sheets below...

Offer Sheets and Restricted Free Agents

The Offer Sheet is a Contract

An offer sheet is a contract negotiated between an NHL team and a restricted free agent on another team.

The offer sheet includes all the terms of a standard player contract, including length, salary, bonuses, etc.

A player who has signed a qualifying offer or is going to salary arbitration with his original team cannot sign an offer sheet.

The qualifying offers negotiating rights pertains to the team being able to match a restricted free agents offer. If the qualifier is not made the player becomes a free agent and all ties to the previous team are eliminated.

I think Perron is the best bet to be moved. Oshie or Stewart are possible as well... but Perron just doesn't fit our system the way Oshie and Stewart do. I'd say a RW is more likely given prospect depth, but Oshie is such a fan favorite and good fit with Hitch, and Stewart is a 30 goal power forward, which is rare.
- Antilles

What year is this with Hitch? 2nd? 3rd? His shelf life is 3 yrs, the 4th is always terrible because he has been tuned out. Unless you guys can pull off a cup win. Then his shelf life gets a couple of more years. Although he seems different that in the past so who really knows.

After looking on the capgeek I realized St. Louis isn't really in a good spot with this guy. I really don't know how he fits into their cap structure, long or short term.

On the other hand is value is undeniable. He is worth every penny of anything between 6-7.5m.

I really have a hard time seeing this work out over the long haul. Could be wrong though.

STL is absolutely right to offer him 6.5-7 until their bluff is called. They know AP knows he can take $50M for 8 years and still be a UFA at 31, in line for a second huge contract. If he takes a Subban deal to get to UFA, he could get hurt, risking lots of money. This is why AP has been offered and will end up signing a Doughty/Karlsson type contract.
- isles10289

I wonder just how huge those contracts will be with the new CBA, where you can't massively frontload it or have the amount paid per year drop very much from year to year like used to be done.
Will he get a 6, 7, or 8 year deal that point paying him $8M+ per year until he is 37-39? Not sure on that one.

My overall question is it seems all of this discussion is quibbling at paying him an extra $500K-$750K per year. Is that really worth it with how the cap is going to increase ($70M estimated for next year)?

What year is this with Hitch? 2nd? 3rd? His shelf life is 3 yrs, the 4th is always terrible because he has been tuned out. Unless you guys can pull off a cup win. Then his shelf life gets a couple of more years. Although he seems different that in the past so who really knows.
- Marshalle

This will be his first full year. He had like 70 games of the season he was hired, and then the lockout. So... third year with the team, but not really third year. He has seemed different, but who knows. I can see the team getting burned out with him next year, or him having another couple before that happens. But I'm not too worried about it this year.