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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 9 @ 11:47 AM ET
So he's a poor man's Guy Carbonneau (minus the captaincy) with more Cups and fewer goals?
- jmatchett383



Carbonneau scored 600 some points in the NHL. Brind'Amour scored over a 1000 pts, and 450 goals in the NHL
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jul 9 @ 11:47 AM ET
Holmgren said that he felt there were a few teams interested in him as a 4th round pick and being they didn't have a 4th rounder, they used their 3rd. Only time will tell.
- nastyflyergirl

That's why I figured they would pick him there
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Jul 9 @ 11:48 AM ET
That 2nd line would have great chemistry, I think. Jake has kind of always played well with BSchenn, Simmonds and Schenn already play on a line, and Simmonds and Vor a Czech room together I think would have awesome chemistry.
- JAKEw1234



i actually always loved simmonds and couturier together

would putting simmonds on the third line with couts and gagne be too risky defensively for a third line?

then read could be on the second line with schenn and lecav
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Jul 9 @ 11:48 AM ET
That 2nd line would have great chemistry, I think. Jake has kind of always played well with BSchenn, Simmonds and Schenn already play on a line, and Simmonds and Vor a Czech room together I think would have awesome chemistry.
- JAKEw1234


Simmonds-Giroux-Voracek
Schenn-Lecavlier-Read
Hartnell-Couturier-Talbot

That's how I'd set up the top 9 to start. Each lines got a little bit of everything.

edit: (assuming we don't sign any other forwards)
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jul 9 @ 11:48 AM ET
I would not be surprised to see Samuel Morin on the Flyers blue line this season.

I would, however, be floored to see him on the blue line in our 11th game this season.

- dilbert719

I personally would be crazy surprised to see him in the NHL this season
dingo8urbaby
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jul 9 @ 11:48 AM ET
If it were me, I'd go with:

Hartnell - Giroux - Voracek
Schenn - Vinny - Simmonds

But, to throw a curve ball (for matchup purposes, for example) you could always go:

Harts - G - Vinny
Simmonds - Schenn - Scoreacek

- johndewar

I like your lines but I would like to throw out some lines of my own
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jul 9 @ 11:49 AM ET
Simmonds-Giroux-Voracek
Schenn-Lecavlier-Read
Hartnell-Couturier-Talbot

That's how I'd set up the top 9 to start. Each lines got a little bit of everything.

- mochoson

I think I could live with that.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jul 9 @ 11:51 AM ET
Holmgren said that he felt there were a few teams interested in him as a 4th round pick and being they didn't have a 4th rounder, they used their 3rd. Only time will tell.
- nastyflyergirl


Well that sounded like a perfect time to trade your 3rd for a lower 3rd and a 4th you didnt have IMO then....
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jul 9 @ 11:51 AM ET
Carbonneau scored 600 some points in the NHL. Brind'Amour scored over a 1000 pts, and 450 goals in the NHL
- MJL

Carbonneau had 1318GP 260G 403A 663P

Brind'Amour had 1,484GP 452G 732A 1,184P

jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 9 @ 11:51 AM ET
I would not be surprised to see Samuel Morin on the Flyers blue line this season.

I would, however, be floored to see him on the blue line in our 11th game this season.

- dilbert719


There's have to be 4 preseason injuries to Timonen, Schenn, Gustafsson, Grossmann, Gervais, Lauridsen, Manning, MAB, Coburn (if not traded), and Meszaros (if not traded) for him to make the NHL club this year.
dingo8urbaby
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jul 9 @ 11:52 AM ET
G needs a sniper on a wing
- SMS4016

What do you expect Brayden Schenn to be someday? Please do not say Mike Richards...
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jul 9 @ 11:53 AM ET
Well that sounded like a perfect time to trade your 3rd for a lower 3rd and a 4th you didnt have IMO then....
- youarewrong

If a team wants to trade you that...
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jul 9 @ 11:53 AM ET
You're going to feel silly when Morin tears it up in camp and starts the season on the blue line.
- mayorofangrytown


They would need to attach weights to his skates to keep his lanky body from sailing away on the ice.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jul 9 @ 11:53 AM ET
Well that sounded like a perfect time to trade your 3rd for a lower 3rd and a 4th you didnt have IMO then....
- youarewrong

Takes two to tango, maybe nobody wanted to make that deal. Not that I'm a big fan of that pick.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jul 9 @ 11:53 AM ET
What do you expect Brayden Schenn to be someday? Please do not say Mike Richards...
- dingo8urbaby

Will BSchenn even be a two-way forward? I saw him more as just being a scorer with grit.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Jul 9 @ 11:54 AM ET
I would not be surprised to see Samuel Morin on the Flyers blue line this season.

I would, however, be floored to see him on the blue line in our 11th game this season.

- dilbert719

okay... you got me.
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Jul 9 @ 11:55 AM ET
I think I could live with that.
- JAKEw1234


Ideally I'd like someone with a little more size + skill on Couturiers RW other than Talbot so that Talbot can help anchor the 4th line, but Talbot has proven many times he can play well almost anywhere in the line-up. So I wouldn't mind it. I also wouldnt mind rearranging everything a little bit so that the full roster looks like this.

McGinn-Giroux-Voracek
Hartnell-Lecavlier-Read
Schenn-Couturier-Simmonds
Talbot-Laughton/Hall-Hall/Rinaldo
-Rosehill/Newbury

With our current logjam at forward, barring unforseen trades I think Laughton should start in the AHL strictly due to the numbers. He can be brought back up later if necessary.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 9 @ 11:55 AM ET
Carbonneau had 1318GP 260G 403A 663P

Brind'Amour had 1,484GP 452G 732A 1,184P

- JAKEw1234


Carbonneau also won 3 Cups with 2 different teams (1 as a captain) and won 3 Selke Trophies. Considered one of the best defensive forwards in history. But since offensive stats are all that matter, sure Brindy is better.

I know that if I was asked to have one on my team, I'd take Carbonneau.
Trainfellow
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 06.23.2012

Jul 9 @ 11:55 AM ET
Why worry about all this when we can see what Paulina Gretzky did for 4th of July?
http://www.idesigntimes.c...nson-july-4th-weekend.htm
dingo8urbaby
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jul 9 @ 11:56 AM ET
So he's a poor man's Guy Carbonneau (minus the captaincy) with more Cups and fewer goals?
- jmatchett383

My friend, just stop
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jul 9 @ 11:56 AM ET
okay... you got me.
- mayorofangrytown

I think he means they'll try him out for 10 games before his rookie contract kicks in and then send him back to the QMJHL.
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Jul 9 @ 11:56 AM ET
What do you expect Brayden Schenn to be someday? Please do not say Mike Richards...
- dingo8urbaby


A bigger Brad Marchand

There's probably a better comparison, but I'm not done my coffee.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 9 @ 11:57 AM ET
Ideally I'd like someone with a little more size + skill on Couturiers RW other than Talbot so that Talbot can help anchor the 4th line, but Talbot has proven many times he can play well almost anywhere in the line-up. So I wouldn't mind it. I also wouldnt mind rearranging everything a little bit so that the full roster looks like this.

McGinn-Giroux-Voracek
Hartnell-Lecavlier-Read
Schenn-Couturier-Simmonds
Talbot-Laughton/Hall-Hall/Rinaldo
-Rosehill/Newbury

With our current logjam at forward, barring unforseen trades I think Laughton should start in the AHL strictly due to the numbers. He can be brought back up later if necessary.

- mochoson



Laughton is not eligible to play in the AHL. It's either the FLyers or back to Juniors. And if you have McGinn on your first line. You're in trouble. No knock on the kid. But put him in a position to succeed. Not a spot that he's not capable of playing in.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 9 @ 11:57 AM ET
My friend, just stop
- dingo8urbaby


Sorry, just my personal feelings. No disrespect towards Rod, I just don't think he's HOF worthy over Carbonneau.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jul 9 @ 11:58 AM ET
Why worry about all this when we can see what Paulina Gretzky did for 4th of July?
http://www.idesigntimes.c...nson-july-4th-weekend.htm

- Trainfellow

Dad must be proud
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