I'd be extremely disappointed if schenn isn't around 20 g 35 assist this year.
- SMS4016

I think that is wayyyy to much to expect from him this season.

40 points would be a nice improvement.

"Pace" can be misleading. The kid makes 3+ a year and career high in points is 26. Hate his contract with a passion.

On the other side of the pace you mentioned:

54 games played : 18 points -7
47 games played : 26 points -8
- Flyersgod

His salary is misleading. He can make 3+ if he meets several (unattainable) criteria. His cap is something like 1.75, im sure someone will be more specific

It's questionable if McGinn will ever be a full time NHL player, let alone a first line Winger. I think he has a future as a role player in the NHL. But putting him on the first line is just setting him up for failure. He doesn't beling playing there.

Your premise is taking a legit first line Winger and playing him on the 3rd line. And taking a maybe on any line, and playing him on the first line. Doesn't add up to me.
- MJL

I don't mean this disrespectfully at all, so please don't take it that way, but I don't look at line-ups like their a video game. I'm not saying you do either, but that's kinda what your saying.

I'm still an active college player and a youth AA coach. My personal philosophy is maximizing 5 on 5 play and stacking talent on the powerplay.

So while McGinn certainly isn't a "first line winger" and probably never will be, I think 5 on 5 he's more than capable of playing on a line with Giroux and Jake that score's more goals than they give up.

This team, IMO, is set up so that there doesn't have to be one "top line". Right now, we have the potential to have 3 very, very good lines that are incredibly hard to match up against on any given night.

McGinn wouldn't even sniff powerplay time on this team. From what I have seen in the NHL/AHL of McGinn, I don't see him as a guy who "might" have an NHL career, so that could be our differing in opinions as well. I definitely consider him a top 9 NHL forward. How much offense he can produce consistently will dictate where he is amongst that top 9 more often than not, and how much offense he is capable of is anyone's guess right now.

But please dont' take it as disrespect the way I've worded this, it's simply a matter of differing opinions. This could work in the NHL or it could not. I think it's something worth trying in the pre-season is all I'm really saying.

"Pace" can be misleading. The kid makes 3+ a year and career high in points is 26. Hate his contract with a passion.

On the other side of the pace you mentioned:

54 games played : 18 points -7
47 games played : 26 points -8
- Flyersgod

The kid doesn't make 3+ a year. Confusing Cap hit with salary. B Schenn made $855,000 last year. And that's all that it cost the Flyers on the Cap last year.

I'd be shocked if he didn't get into four or more preseason games. Same will Hagg if he comes to camp this fall.
- mayorofangrytown

I'm really excited about Hagg. He's supposed to be impressive so far at camp.

Clutterbuck and Martin are going to be bastards to play against. Simmonds and co. Will have their hands full

But the growth is good. Going from a 27 point pace to 45 is pretty good for a young player, and if he continues to grow at that pace (I hope he does), then he could put up a 60-65 point pace this season. Maybe more if he's playing with the great Lecavalier.
- JAKEw1234

There's a reason "pace" isn't a really important stat. Unless they do it, it doesn't count.

Giroux could play 3 games this season, score 5 goals and have 10 points and if he got hurt you could argue he was on pace to score 50 goals in 30 games.

And this may not make sense to you or anyone else, but that's exactly why I think it would work beautifully.
- mochoson

It will work because it doesn't make sense? Even that doesn't make sense.

But the growth is good. Going from a 27 point pace to 45 is pretty good for a young player, and if he continues to grow at that pace (I hope he does), then he could put up a 60-65 point pace this season. Maybe more if he's playing with the great Lecavalier.
- JAKEw1234

Let's not forget that the whole team struggled because of their inability to exit their own end.

Lavi also kept forcing Briere onto Schenns line along with Simmonds. That line was a disaster in the own end.

I think Schenn will be more comfortable this season.

The kid doesn't make 3+ a year. Confusing Cap hit with salary. B Schenn made $855,000 last year. And that's all that it cost the Flyers on the Cap last year.
- MJL

Not confusing anything.

It's questionable if McGinn will ever be a full time NHL player, let alone a first line Winger. I think he has a future as a role player in the NHL. But putting him on the first line is just setting him up for failure. He doesn't beling playing there.

Your premise is taking a legit first line Winger and playing him on the 3rd line. And taking a maybe on any line, and playing him on the first line. Doesn't add up to me.
- MJL

I don't think it's outside of the realm of possiblity that McGinn works his way up the same Bryan Bickel did with the Hawks.

I think he's going off the basis that McGinn played the 1st line for stints last year. He didn't look out of place. But he's not accounting for the fact that Tye didn't put up nearly the amount of points you'd expect a 1st liner would put up.
- JAKEw1234

I think he did out of place. That's why he didn't stay there.

It will work because it doesn't make sense? Even that doesn't make sense.
- MJL

From the paradigm that most hockey fans view a top line, yes. It's unconventional compared to the norm, but it's only replacing a player similar to Hartnell with a lesser offensive skill set. 2/3 of the top line is still intact. I definitely didn't word it that great, my apologies.

I don't think it's outside of the realm of possiblity that McGinn works his way up the same Bryan Bickel did with the Hawks.
- dingo8urbaby

I don't think Bickell is a first line Winger either.

Just because it doesn't make sense to us it would work beautifully?
- JAKEw1234

Things that don't make sense always work out perfect. I liked McGinn when he was up. He was a bigger body than I remembered. He looked like a player. Can he consistently put up points at a rate that will keep him in the NHL in the top 6? I have my doubts.

I don't mean this disrespectfully at all, so please don't take it that way, but I don't look at line-ups like their a video game. I'm not saying you do either, but that's kinda what your saying.

I'm still an active college player and a youth AA coach. My personal philosophy is maximizing 5 on 5 play and stacking talent on the powerplay.

So while McGinn certainly isn't a "first line winger" and probably never will be, I think 5 on 5 he's more than capable of playing on a line with Giroux and Jake that score's more goals than they give up.

This team, IMO, is set up so that there doesn't have to be one "top line". Right now, we have the potential to have 3 very, very good lines that are incredibly hard to match up against on any given night.

McGinn wouldn't even sniff powerplay time on this team. From what I have seen in the NHL/AHL of McGinn, I don't see him as a guy who "might" have an NHL career, so that could be our differing in opinions as well. I definitely consider him a top 9 NHL forward. How much offense he can produce consistently will dictate where he is amongst that top 9 more often than not, and how much offense he is capable of is anyone's guess right now.

But please dont' take it as disrespect the way I've worded this, it's simply a matter of differing opinions. This could work in the NHL or it could not. I think it's something worth trying in the pre-season is all I'm really saying.
- mochoson

The guy playing with G and Voracek needs to be able to bury his chances. Mcginn isn't that type of player. Hartnell has a decent shot and often creates good passing lanes.

I don't think it's outside of the realm of possiblity that McGinn works his way up the same Bryan Bickel did with the Hawks.
- dingo8urbaby

EXACTLY

Christ, I remember the Oilers even gave Jean Francois Jacques 10 games on the top-line a couple years ago and even he was able to get 5 or 6 points in that time (or something like that), and now he's a regular AHLer in the Ducks farm system.

I don't mean this disrespectfully at all, so please don't take it that way, but I don't look at line-ups like their a video game. I'm not saying you do either, but that's kinda what your saying.

I'm still an active college player and a youth AA coach. My personal philosophy is maximizing 5 on 5 play and stacking talent on the powerplay.

So while McGinn certainly isn't a "first line winger" and probably never will be, I think 5 on 5 he's more than capable of playing on a line with Giroux and Jake that score's more goals than they give up.

This team, IMO, is set up so that there doesn't have to be one "top line". Right now, we have the potential to have 3 very, very good lines that are incredibly hard to match up against on any given night.

McGinn wouldn't even sniff powerplay time on this team. From what I have seen in the NHL/AHL of McGinn, I don't see him as a guy who "might" have an NHL career, so that could be our differing in opinions as well. I definitely consider him a top 9 NHL forward. How much offense he can produce consistently will dictate where he is amongst that top 9 more often than not, and how much offense he is capable of is anyone's guess right now.

But please dont' take it as disrespect the way I've worded this, it's simply a matter of differing opinions. This could work in the NHL or it could not. I think it's something worth trying in the pre-season is all I'm really saying.
- mochoson

I could see him getting some PP time, even if it's just Lavvy just mixing things up. He could serve a roll on the 2nd PP much like Simmonds serves on the 1st. Get in front of the net and screen and work deflections. Get into the corner to battle and keep the puck in the zone. That was a key aspect of the 1st PP last year. With Hartnell and Simmonds playing aggressively on the puck, teams had A LOT of trouble clearing the puck. I think McGinn could bring that aspect to our 2nd PP.

I don't think it's outside of the realm of possiblity that McGinn works his way up the same Bryan Bickel did with the Hawks.
- dingo8urbaby

Maybe, but it's important to point out that Bickell was allowed to marinate in Rockford for four full seasons before they finally brought him up full-time.

The guy playing with G and Voracek needs to be able to bury his chances. Mcginn isn't that type of player. Hartnell has a decent shot and often creates good passing lanes.
- PhillySportsGuy

McGinn may not be the sexiest player, but G and Jake working off a rush and McGinn crashing the net sounds like it'd work to me. He is one hell of a big body. Kid is a rock

Crashing the net, screens, deflections, keeping plays alive on the side-boards and below the goal line....these are the things McGinn would be focusing on. With Jake and G, he'd do them well IMO.

I could see him getting some PP time, even if it's just Lavvy just mixing things up. He could serve a roll on the 2nd PP much like Simmonds serves on the 1st. Get in front of the net and screen and work deflections. Get into the corner to battle and keep the puck in the zone. That was a key aspect of the 1st PP last year. With Hartnell and Simmonds playing aggressively on the puck, teams had A LOT of trouble clearing the puck. I think McGinn could bring that aspect to our 2nd PP.
- JAKEw1234

assuming the top line remains the same on the PP. Who do you take out of the 2nd unit? Read, Couts, Schenn or Vinny?

I could see him getting some PP time, even if it's just Lavvy just mixing things up. He could serve a roll on the 2nd PP much like Simmonds serves on the 1st. Get in front of the net and screen and work deflections. Get into the corner to battle and keep the puck in the zone. That was a key aspect of the 1st PP last year. With Hartnell and Simmonds playing aggressively on the puck, teams had A LOT of trouble clearing the puck. I think McGinn could bring that aspect to our 2nd PP.
- JAKEw1234

I think he could too, but I dont think that happens unless theres an injury. My guess is Lavy keeps Hartnell on one unit in that role and Simmonds on the other to start.

I'm really excited about Hagg. He's supposed to be impressive so far at camp.
- JAKEw1234

The preseason Will be must watch tv if these kids are played

McGinn may not be the sexiest player, but G and Jake working off a rush and McGinn crashing the net sounds like it'd work to me. He is one hell of a big body. Kid is a rock

Crashing the net, screens, deflections, keeping plays alive on the side-boards and below the goal line....these are the things McGinn would be focusing on. With Jake and G, he'd do them well IMO.
- mochoson

Hartnell does all of those things except he does them better than Mcginn.

There's a reason "pace" isn't a really important stat. Unless they do it, it doesn't count.

Giroux could play 3 games this season, score 5 goals and have 10 points and if he got hurt you could argue he was on pace to score 50 goals in 30 games.
- Flyersgod

Of course pace doesn't work over 3 games but it works pretty well over 47 games and 54 games. It's just so we can get an idea of where he probably would have landed if he got in all 82 games.