I know I'm in the minority, but I would like to see Voracek and Giroux split up. I think it would give the team tremendous depth.

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- PhillySportsGuy

I'd definitely be ok with that, as long as he stays on a line with Schenn. As someone in here pointed out earlier, Schenn played at a pt per game pace when he was with Vora Czech. I'd actually be fine with your 3rd line, also. It'd just be very important to me that the 3rd line gets proper TOI if we're playing 3 players that could actually be considered top 6 forwards there.

- dingo8urbaby

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- dingo8urbaby

Does Vinny Prospal count as the franchise's first "Vinny" even though his real name is "Vaclav"?

I say "yes".

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- dingo8urbaby

Is he good there?

You can however buy lipstick and face balm worthy of a funeral parlor for TV.
- Flyskippy

Wouldn't surprise me if they made him supply his own. It took a lot to pretty him up.

anyone know if we can watch the press conference online? if so, what site? thanks guys!

Honestly accounting for that he's going to continue to grow, and that he'll probably be playing with Lecavalier, I could see him putting up 60+ points as long as he's given the TOI.
- JAKEw1234

At 1rst I was thinking around 20-23g 35-45 ast. Then I figured in the 5-10 game suspension for taking someone head off into consideration and thats how I arrived at 20g 35asst.

I'd definitely be ok with that, as long as he stays on a line with Schenn. As someone in here pointed out earlier, Schenn played at a pt per game pace when he was with Vora Czech. I'd actually be fine with your 3rd line, also. It'd just be very important to me that the 3rd line gets proper TOI if we're playing 3 players that could actually be considered top 6 forwards there.
- JAKEw1234

I think the Flyers were at their best over the last few years when they had balance in the lineup. Lavi could roll 4 lines and the team would just wear away at the opponent.

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- PhillySportsGuy

I'd swap Scoreacek with Simmonds.

I'd love to see a full season of Voracek bouncing passes off of Scott Hartnell and into the net.

You have to do more then just crash the net to be effective on a top line. When Giroux sets him up, he needs to be able to bury it. He needs to be able to make plays with the puck. He doesn't have that skill set currently. He may never have it at the level he needs to have to play on a top line. Right now, the strengths of his game are his physical play on the forecheck. But his all around game isn't at the level it needs to be, to even be a complimentary player on a top line. He needs more developmental time. And his best bet to making the NHL right now, is as a bottom 6 forward. Asking anything more is just going to be detrimental to the kid.
- MJL

I disagree wholeheartedly. I saw everything I needed to see from McGinn to know he could play well with those two. And I definitely disagree it would be detrimental.

The mental aspect of sports is overlooked far too often, probably because there's no stat for it. I read an interesting interview with Kris Newbury yesterday about how he's determined to make the Flyers. He said his biggest obstacle is learning to play with the overwhelming confidence he has in the AHL that allows him to be a PPG scorer in the NHL. It's what's holding him back from being anything more than a 4th line mucker.

I think if you place McGinn on a line with G and Jake, he would excel. It would show the coaching staff has confidence in what he does well and in turn, McGinn would have lots of confidence in himself.

I can attest to this being an active player still myself. Anyone that's played the game can. When your coach has confidence in you, you in turn have more confidence in yourself and 9/10 perform much better on a consistent basis.

Is this a definite formula for success? No. McGinn could have all the confidence in the world and still not be a fit on a line with G and Jake. I don't think your giving the kid enough credit though. I certainly think he's more than capable of creating space for these two, being a physical presence on that line, and finishing some chances his own.

Is he good there?
- JAKEw1234

It was a pretty deep playoff run in 08?? I thought he was fine.

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- PhillySportsGuy

I guess if we feel a need to mix things up

Giroux - Streit - Schenn
Simmonds - Read

Voracek - Hartnell - Timonen
Lecavalier - Couturier




What's the old saying, "if it works don't fix it"?
Our 1st PP is perfect. Nothing about it should change.

Has Hartnell played RW in his lifetime?
- JAKEw1234

I mean on the PP it's not super relavant unless he's setting up for a one timer, in which case Hartnell would be on the right side cause he's left handed. That's why I put him there. He's more than likely spending most of his TOI on the PP camped in front of the net.

I'd swap Scoreacek with Simmonds.

I'd love to see a full season of Voracek bouncing passes off of Scott Hartnell and into the net.
- johndewar

I see Voracek as more interchangeable on that line than Simmonds. The Hartnell-Simmonds high-low on the PP is one of the reasons its so successful. Voracek really just hides out backdoor.

If Voracek were on the second PP, they could run it through him like they do with Giroux. That way they could utilize his best trait, which is his puck handling and passing.

A demotion to the second PP could mean more points for him on the PP.

I guess if we feel a need to mix things up

Giroux - Streit - Schenn
Simmonds - Read

Voracek - Hartnell - Timonen
Lecavalier - Couturier




What's the old saying, "if it works don't fix it"?
Our 1st PP is perfect. Nothing about it should change.
- JAKEw1234

The second unit was terrible though. Putting a heavy shot like Vinny on the first unit won't make it worse. Putting a skilled passer like Voracek on the second unit will help it.

I see Voracek as more interchangeable on that line than Simmonds. The Hartnell-Simmonds high-low on the PP is one of the reasons its so successful. Voracek really just hides out backdoor.

If Voracek were on the second PP, they could run it through him like they do with Giroux. That way they could utilize his best trait, which is his puck handling and passing.

A demotion to the second PP could mean more points for him on the PP.
- PhillySportsGuy

Voraceks best PP trait is his shot. Its why they play him on the point and he scores a ridiculous number of goals from up there.

"Pace" can be misleading. The kid makes 3+ a year
- Flyersgod

No, he doesn't make $3 million plus a year. His cap hit is inflated due to LA giving him a contract with $1.5m in almost unreachable bonuses.

I see Voracek as more interchangeable on that line than Simmonds. The Hartnell-Simmonds high-low on the PP is one of the reasons its so successful. Voracek really just hides out backdoor.

If Voracek were on the second PP, they could run it through him like they do with Giroux. That way they could utilize his best trait, which is his puck handling and passing.

A demotion to the second PP could mean more points for him on the PP.
- PhillySportsGuy

Your proposal wasn't unreasonable at all.

I was more riffing on how good of a passer I think Voracek is. I wish he would get more greedy, shooting-wise. But as a passer, he's fun to watch.

The second unit was terrible though. Putting a heavy shot like Vinny on the first unit won't make it worse. Putting a skilled passer like Voracek on the second unit will help it.
- PhillySportsGuy

It was bad, but notice how despite how bad it was, we were still the #2 or #3 powerplay team in the whole league, just because of our 1st unit? Adding Streit and Lecavalier ot our 2nd unit will help in greatly as it is.

Voraceks best PP trait is his shot. Its why they play him on the point and he scores a ridiculous number of goals from up there.
- JAKEw1234

Voracek's presence on the point is more because he's an excellent playmaker.

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- PhillySportsGuy

I think Lecavalier will work his way up to the first unit but what we had going was too good to break up right away. The additions of Streit and Vinny could create two very lethal units, at least for the start of the season. I am in favour of breaking up Simmonds and Hartnell on one unit. I think both players are too good in the crease and I think we over value Hartnell in the middle of the box. I think it's unlikely that he sees the same goal totals that he's reached just over a year ago again. He's too much of a clown at times. Swing and missing on one timers, sometimes even falling down. I may even go as far as saying that one of Lecavalier or Schenn can do it better. Gagne in his prime made his money there.

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I'd try something along these lines, I'm really interested to see if Giroux and Lecavlier can work some magic on that first unit.
- mochoson

Give me:

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Voraceks best PP trait is his shot. Its why they play him on the point and he scores a ridiculous number of goals from up there.
- JAKEw1234

He doesn't have a great shot. He doesn't even like to shoot that much. Many of his PP goals were from in close. Vinny has a better shot than him. I don't think they would lose anything on the 1st unit by replacing Voracek with Vinny.

I think it would really help the second unit though.

I disagree wholeheartedly. I saw everything I needed to see from McGinn to know he could play well with those two. And I definitely disagree it would be detrimental.
- mochoson

McGinn on the first line ahead of Hartnell is ridiculous. McGinn will be lucky to even make the team.

anyone know if we can watch the press conference online? if so, what site? thanks guys!
- flyersfan51

http://video.flyers.nhl.c...tid=616&id=262427&lang=en