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bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Jul 9 @ 1:21 PM ET
And there we go, straight from the Homer's mouth. "With Giroux, Lecavalier, and Couturier as your three centers, you're pretty good."
- dilbert719


/Brayden Schenn looks around the room awkwardly
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jul 9 @ 1:22 PM ET
I'm not downgrading Voracek. I think he is an all star level player. That's why I want to move him down to make the team more balanced. Giroux will produce points with almost anyone. Moving Voracek will make the overall team better. I like Voracek a lot. That's why I think he can control the play himself and doesn't need to play with another player like Giroux.

Do you think the Pens would be better with Crosby and Malkin on the same line or on two separate lines?

- PhillySportsGuy


But isnt that kind of what you are doing? Vinny is a 30 goal scorer and a center. You want to move a guy that hasn't scored more then 24 goals over a long season to a 2nd line centered by someone that isnt ready to play 2nd line center, and move a top notch 2nd line center to the first line wing... in the name of depth? Your hurting the team's depth more by doing this.
broadstreet11
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.24.2010

Jul 9 @ 1:23 PM ET
And there we go, straight from the Homer's mouth. "With Giroux, Lecavalier, and Couturier as your three centers, you're pretty good."
- dilbert719

Great to hear.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jul 9 @ 1:24 PM ET
What happened to Mark Streit? Last time I checked he's a PP QB. What about Vinny? Pretty sure he can also do that. And Couturier? He definitely has the smarts.
- JAKEw1234


He wanted Streit and Timonen on the same unit. Does nothing for the second unit.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jul 9 @ 1:24 PM ET
But isnt that kind of what you are doing? Vinny is a 30 goal scorer and a center. You want to move a guy that hasn't scored more then 24 goals over a long season to a 2nd line centered by someone that isnt ready to play 2nd line center, and move a top notch 2nd line center to the first line wing... in the name of depth? Your hurting the team's depth more by doing this.
- youarewrong

I'd call Lecavalier more of a 1st line center that's playing 2nd line.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jul 9 @ 1:25 PM ET
He wanted Streit and Timonen on the same unit. Does nothing for the second unit.
- youarewrong

It gives them Hartnell
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jul 9 @ 1:26 PM ET
Snider
"I'm expecting big things this year, to be frank"

oh man if they miss the playoffs again...
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jul 9 @ 1:26 PM ET
I'd call Lecavalier more of a 1st line center that's playing 2nd line.
- JAKEw1234


Vinny can pinch hit in that 1st line role, but I think he's declining at this point of his career such that a 2nd line role is probably better.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 9 @ 1:26 PM ET
But isnt that kind of what you are doing? Vinny is a 30 goal scorer and a center. You want to move a guy that hasn't scored more then 24 goals over a long season to a 2nd line centered by someone that isnt ready to play 2nd line center, and move a top notch 2nd line center to the first line wing... in the name of depth? Your hurting the team's depth more by doing this.
- youarewrong


I think Voracek is better than Vinny. Therefore switching them out with each other would add more to the second line. I don't think it will effect the 1st line as much.

Schenn and Voracek had good chemistry. Schenn had his best run as a pro when playing with Voracek. It was Lavi who kept thinking Briere and Schenn belonged together like Romeo and Juliet.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Jul 9 @ 1:27 PM ET
Snider
"I'm expecting big things this year, to be frank"

oh man if they miss the playoffs again...

- Marc D

Mr. Snider will change his first name to Frank?
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jul 9 @ 1:27 PM ET
/Brayden Schenn looks around the room awkwardly
- bradleyc4

says goodbye to big brother,
it was fun being together here, even if only a half season


PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 9 @ 1:27 PM ET
Vinny can pinch hit in that 1st line role, but I think he's declining at this point of his career such that a 2nd line role is probably better.
- johndewar


He's a 2nd line center. He played on the same team as Stamkos and put up 2nd line numbers.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jul 9 @ 1:29 PM ET
Mr. Snider will change his first name to Frank?
- Flyskippy


I just hope Frank Snider is more patient than his brother Ed.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Jul 9 @ 1:31 PM ET
says goodbye to big brother,
it was fun being together here, even if only a half season



- Marc D

Could just move him to wing, eh?
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 9 @ 1:32 PM ET
Could just move him to wing, eh?
- Flyskippy



Or D... Left Schenn and Right Schenn.

griouxmvp2012
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 06.27.2011

Jul 9 @ 1:32 PM ET
says goodbye to big brother,
it was fun being together here, even if only a half season



- Marc D

Lol really he's gonna play on vinny's wing and I bet he has a good hear I say he get close to 60 pts on the wing
pharcyde
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.18.2011

Jul 9 @ 1:32 PM ET
The only way I see Lecavlier getting a look with Giroux is on the PP. He's too good of a faceoff man, which is something this club desperately lacks.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jul 9 @ 1:33 PM ET
He's a 2nd line center. He played on the same team as Stamkos and put up 2nd line numbers.
- PhillySportsGuy

He's typically put up around .8 to .85 points per game over the past few seasons. I know he's not an elite stud center anymore, but most teams that were also in on him in free agency wanted him as their #1 center.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jul 9 @ 1:33 PM ET
I think Voracek is better than Vinny. Therefore switching them out with each other would add more to the second line. I don't think it will effect the 1st line as much.

Schenn and Voracek had good chemistry. Schenn had his best run as a pro when playing with Voracek. It was Lavi who kept thinking Briere and Schenn belonged together like Romeo and Juliet.

- PhillySportsGuy

The lines BETTER look like this to start the season:

Hartnell-G-Voracek
Schenn-Lecavalier-Simmonds
Talbot-Couts-Read
McGrinn-Laughton-Rinaldo
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jul 9 @ 1:34 PM ET
Could just move him to wing, eh?
- Flyskippy

well sure in reality,
but in here, no, he will be part of a package deal for byfuglien or someone
flyler
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: LA, CA
Joined: 05.23.2008

Jul 9 @ 1:35 PM ET
If they put Streit on the top unit, he will replace Timonen. Not sure if they would play both at the same time. It would leave the second unit with Gus, Luke or Mez (If healthy)
- PhillySportsGuy


Mez did well with Ottawa early in his career with PP time. But with injuries and being behind guys like Pronger, Kimmo and Carle when healthy, not so much Power play time.
griouxmvp2012
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 06.27.2011

Jul 9 @ 1:35 PM ET
I just hope Frank Snider is more patient than his brother Ed.
- johndewar

Yea me too it's gonna be tough to get in with det and Columbus in confrence now
griouxmvp2012
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 06.27.2011

Jul 9 @ 1:36 PM ET
The lines BETTER look like this to start the season:

Hartnell-G-Voracek
Schenn-Lecavalier-Simmonds
Talbot-Couts-Read
McGrinn-Laughton-Rinaldo

- jak521

I would switch Laughton and talbot let him get some pt
flyersfan51
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, NJ
Joined: 10.04.2006

Jul 9 @ 1:37 PM ET
All three look great in Orange and Black! Can't wait for the season to start. Now just trade Meszaros and sign Gagne. End of offseason.

Hartnell - Giroux - Voracek
Simmonds - Lecavalier - Schenn
Gagne - Couturier - Read
Hall - Talbot - Rinaldo

Laughton - Rosehill

Streit - Schenn
Timonen - Coburn
Gus - Grossmann

Emery
Mason
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jul 9 @ 1:37 PM ET
Ray Emery in the presser seemed very grateful at the care and expense the Flyers took with him to find the best surgeon and place to get his hip operated on. Cited this as one of the reasons he wanted to come back to Phila.

Seriously, it is pretty amazing that he recovered from avascular necrosis of the hip and is even able to play again.

For as much as the Flyers medical staff gets maligned, this is a nice to hear about, from one of the players.
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