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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 9 @ 5:37 PM ET
IMO Lindros is more deserving then Shanahan...but anyways.
- broadstreet11


Shanahan scored 656 goals.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 9 @ 5:39 PM ET
Shanahan scored 656 goals.
- MJL


Those are only goals. How many fights did he win?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 9 @ 5:39 PM ET
From what I understand about him Raffl has a good two-way game.
- JAKEw1234


From what I've heard, it's the opposite. But I could be wrong.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 9 @ 5:40 PM ET
From what I've heard, it's the opposite. But I could be wrong.
- MJL


You may be thinking of Straka
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 9 @ 5:42 PM ET
The difference in the PP players time is because the second unit was horrible. With a better 2nd unit you will likely see a more even split of time. What would rather sending out Streit and Timonen on the same unit, then the second unit comes out with what? Grossmann and Schenn? Sure in game 7 you pull out all the stops in the last minute, but during a normal game, you split them up to have even units.
- youarewrong


That's part of it, but not the real reason. Most teams favor the #1 unit. Playing the 2nd unit more, means that you take PP time away from Giroux. That would be a big mistake. The Flyers need to maximize Streit's PP time to take advantage of his strengths as a player. Gustafsson can QB the 2nd PP, and there are forwards such as Read that can also play the point.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 9 @ 5:44 PM ET
True or False. Steve Downie was a player without first line talent playing on the first line?
- youarewrong


Irrelevant. You could play Rosehill on the first line if you wanted to. Doesn't mean he belongs there. What is relevant is putting players in the right spots to best utilize their talents. Playing McGinn on the first line is not doing that.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 9 @ 5:44 PM ET
So where are you putting Laughton, since you said he will be absolutely making the team? If Hall is your 4th line center, which I agree with, and Couturier is your 3rd line center....
- youarewrong


On the Wing on the 4th line.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 9 @ 5:46 PM ET
You may be thinking of Straka
- PhillySportsGuy


Could be that.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 9 @ 5:47 PM ET
From what I've heard, it's the opposite. But I could be wrong.
- MJL


From what the Flyers execs have said, his biggest issue is his footwork. Dave Brown feels he'll need a season in the AHL to adjust, while Chris Pryor feels Raffl is NHL ready now. Both seem to see him as a third liner, noting his work ethic and compete levels are very good.
dingo8urbaby
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jul 9 @ 5:48 PM ET
On the Wing on the 4th line.
- MJL

Does Laughton play wing at all? Hall can play wing.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 9 @ 5:49 PM ET
That's part of it, but not the real reason. Most teams favor the #1 unit. Playing the 2nd unit more, means that you take PP time away from Giroux. That would be a big mistake. The Flyers need to maximize Streit's PP time to take advantage of his strengths as a player. Gustafsson can QB the 2nd PP, and there are forwards such as Read that can also play the point.
- MJL


Not saying it would be an even split, but I would like to see the second unit have more success and, in turn, get more time. It would be nice to send out the second unit if our first line just had a long shift and feel like we had a chance to score.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 9 @ 5:49 PM ET
Does Laughton play wing at all? Hall can play wing.
- dingo8urbaby


I would want Laughton at center, but would want Hall to take defensive zone face-offs.
dingo8urbaby
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jul 9 @ 5:50 PM ET
From what the Flyers execs have said, his biggest issue is his footwork. Dave Brown feels he'll need a season in the AHL to adjust, while Chris Pryor feels Raffl is NHL ready now. Both seem to see him as a third liner, noting his work ethic and compete levels are very good.
- Jsaquella

Sweet jesus! Sign Gagne!!
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 9 @ 5:51 PM ET
Sweet jesus! Sign Gagne!!
- dingo8urbaby


I'm OK with Gagne, rather see McGinn get the shot first.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 9 @ 5:52 PM ET
I'm OK with Gagne, rather see McGinn get the shot first.
- Jsaquella


Two different players. I think the team needs more two-way talent.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 9 @ 5:54 PM ET
Not saying it would be an even split, but I would like to see the second unit have more success and, in turn, get more time. It would be nice to send out the second unit if our first line just had a long shift and feel like we had a chance to score.
- PhillySportsGuy


Then you could do some mixing and matching. But Mark Streit should be up there leading the team in PP icetime per game along with Giroux, Voracek, and Timonen. If he's not, then they're not fully taking advantage of the skills that he brings to the ice.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 9 @ 5:55 PM ET
Does Laughton play wing at all? Hall can play wing.
- dingo8urbaby


I don't see why Laughton couldn't. I think Hall's faceoff ability is going to be an important addition to this team. It's going to help make other players better.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 9 @ 5:56 PM ET
From what the Flyers execs have said, his biggest issue is his footwork. Dave Brown feels he'll need a season in the AHL to adjust, while Chris Pryor feels Raffl is NHL ready now. Both seem to see him as a third liner, noting his work ethic and compete levels are very good.
- Jsaquella


I may have confused Raffl with Straka.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 9 @ 5:58 PM ET
I may have confused Raffl with Straka.
- MJL


Straka is the one with offensive ability but needs to learn defense. He was never forced to play defense overseas because he scored at such a high rate.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 9 @ 5:59 PM ET
Straka is the one with offensive ability but needs to learn defense. He was never forced to play defense overseas because he scored at such a high rate.
- PhillySportsGuy


That's the exact description I heard.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 9 @ 6:00 PM ET
Then you could do some mixing and matching. But Mark Streit should be up there leading the team in PP icetime per game along with Giroux, Voracek, and Timonen. If he's not, then they're not fully taking advantage of the skills that he brings to the ice.
- MJL


I want

Hartnell-G-Simmer
Timo/Streit-Vinny

Schenn-Couts-Read
Timo/Streit-Jake

I like Jake QBing the 2nd unit.
bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 9 @ 6:01 PM ET
I find that people on all sides are biased to think the way they think. Liberals (the voters, not the politicians)...

Nevermind...

I can talk politics for days.

- Flyersgod

As long as you do it elsewhere.
dingo8urbaby
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jul 9 @ 6:04 PM ET
I'm OK with Gagne, rather see McGinn get the shot first.
- Jsaquella

Gagne can fit into any situation if need be. He can slip into any of the four lines, pp and pk. McGinn in my opinion is limit
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 9 @ 6:05 PM ET
Gagne can fit into any situation if need be. He can slip into any of the four lines, pp and ok. McGinn in my opinion is limit.
- dingo8urbaby


I feel the same way. Gagne and Read can be like the swiss army knives of the team. You need guys like that.
bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 9 @ 6:06 PM ET
I feel the same way. Gagne and Read can be like the swiss army knives of the team. You need guys like that.
- PhillySportsGuy

This needs some photo shop madness right here.
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