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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 11 @ 12:22 PM ET
Yeah, it was Heeter last season, and he's still around this year. Even for a month, if he's getting daily practice against NHL shooters, that would be as good for his development as sitting on the bench behind Danis (or whoever) in ADK.



- Tomahawk


I disagree completely. And apparently so do the Flyers. You want Heeter playing as much as possible. Not sitting on the bench, opening up the door.




As for Hall, I'd would have rather gone w/ the options they already under contract in Laughton/Holmstrom/Newbury to hold down the 4th-line spot, then re-sign Gagne to an affordable deal. Hall's not going to be able to play an expanded role, move up and down the lineup, and contribute on the PP like Gagne can. He can take 300-400 faceoffs at 60% for the year, but Gagne is much more versatile and productive.

- Tomahawk



None of those players are ready to do what Hall can do for this team. We don't need Hall to play an expanded role, and to move up and down the lineup. We need him to do exactly what he's going to do, if they use him right.
And the Flyers have plenty of players who can play on the PP.

youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jul 11 @ 12:23 PM ET
I really wish Simon Gagne would sign somewhere else so this nonsense would end.

The Flyers are stacked with bottom-6 forwards. Depth is great, but you have to choose your contracts wisely.

I'd rather they do what they can to keep Pronger off LTIR, rather than adding to that problem by adding more unnecessary veterans. You can always add guys later in the season if the need arises.

- bradleyc4


If you sign Gagne for 2 million and trade Meszaros without taking back cap hit, then with this current team the Flyers will have 1.6 million under the cap without LTIR pronger. And that is also including the 7th d-man and 13th forward. I think that is just fine.

Hartnell-Giroux-Voracek
Schenn-Vinny-Simmonds
Gagne-Couturier-Read
Talbot-Hall-Rinaldo
Rosehill

Timonen-Schenn
Streit-Coburn
Grossmann-Gustefsson
Gervais

Emery
Mason
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 11 @ 12:23 PM ET
I had to look this one up, but Cover Boy isn't one of the three.
- dilbert719



Ray Whitney's gotta be one of them.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 11 @ 12:24 PM ET
A bottom 6 of Gagne-Couturier-Read AND Talbot-Hall-Rinaldo is pretty damn good IMO.
- youarewrong



I'd rather play Talbot on the 3rd line. And let one of the kids break in on the 4th line.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jul 11 @ 12:25 PM ET
A bottom 6 of Gagne-Couturier-Read AND Talbot-Hall-Rinaldo is pretty damn good IMO.
- youarewrong


I agree, but it's really going to be tricky getting Gagne onto the roster -- it really is.

It's not just the cap. As these guys are discussing, it's going to be tough to find the roster slot that makes sense.

As I believe Tomahawk said, it's going to be difficult to move Meszaros for just a draft pick, because of his salary. You almost have to believe that you're taking a contract back in return, with the way this offseason is shaking out with teams from around the league.'

You could probably trade Braydon Coburn for picks, but if you wanted to do that, you'd have done it already and that sure as hell doesn't help the Flyers make the playoffs this season. I can't see the Flyers doing that just to help create a slot for Simon Gagne -- Coburn is simply more valuable.

The only thing I could see happening is if you put Matt Read and Meszaros in a deal together...you might find a team who can take both contracts, like a Calgary...but again, you'd have to think that if the Flyers really wanted to do that, they'd have done so by now.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Jul 11 @ 12:26 PM ET
1. No guarantee you can dump Meszaros without taking a contract/salary in return. Last time they were forced to dump a player due to decline + cumulative injury concerns, they had to take Matt Walker and his $1.7M cap hit in return.

2. Pronger going on LTIR is the entire reason they have to get below $64.3 before the season begins. If they do, they can spend up to $69M+ for the remainder of the season. If they don't, they permanently lose whatever portion of his exemption that they're over by for the remainder of the season. The link I posted explains it fully.

- Tomahawk


Gagne had a NMC and was only willing to waive for TB. Flyers may have more options with trading Meszaros b/c he can't veto any trade destinations.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jul 11 @ 12:26 PM ET
Ray Whitney's gotta be one of them.
- Tomahawk

No sir, it's more obvious than that.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Jul 11 @ 12:26 PM ET
I will reveal the 3 in a bit.
dilbert719
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 11.30.2006

Jul 11 @ 12:27 PM ET
No sir, it's more obvious than that.
- JAKEw1234


Another trivia question to throw out there, this time about the series as a whole. Taking into account regional cover variations, which player has appeared on the most covers to date?
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Jul 11 @ 12:27 PM ET
No sir, it's more obvious than that.
- JAKEw1234



I actually had the two obvious ones easily in Selanne and Jagr. didn't get the third one.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jul 11 @ 12:27 PM ET
No sir, it's more obvious than that.
- JAKEw1234


Ha! It isn't coming to me at the moment...I'm definitely going to have to think about this one!
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Jul 11 @ 12:28 PM ET
Oh, and why not Brodeur? Because NHL ’94 was based on the ’92-’93 season.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jul 11 @ 12:28 PM ET
No sir, it's more obvious than that.
- JAKEw1234

Two of the three have been mentioned, the third one isn't as obvious as the others.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Jul 11 @ 12:29 PM ET
I really wish Simon Gagne would sign somewhere else so this nonsense would end.

The Flyers are stacked with bottom-6 forwards. Depth is great, but you have to choose your contracts wisely.

I'd rather they do what they can to keep Pronger off LTIR, rather than adding to that problem by adding more unnecessary veterans. You can always add guys later in the season if the need arises.

- bradleyc4

You mean bottom three forwards don't you really? You need to get some scoring from your third line and a lot of these guys can barely find the net.
dilbert719
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 11.30.2006

Jul 11 @ 12:29 PM ET
Ha! It isn't coming to me at the moment...I'm definitely going to have to think about this one!
- AllInForFlyers


Without giving it away, the missing player has played for seven different NHL franchises.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jul 11 @ 12:29 PM ET
Ha! It isn't coming to me at the moment...I'm definitely going to have to think about this one!
- AllInForFlyers

Honestly, I'd be shocked if anybody got it without looking it up.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jul 11 @ 12:30 PM ET
I agree, but it's really going to be tricky getting Gagne onto the roster -- it really is.

It's not just the cap. As these guys are discussing, it's going to be tough to find the roster slot that makes sense.

As I believe Tomahawk said, it's going to be difficult to move Meszaros for just a draft pick, because of his salary. You almost have to believe that you're taking a contract back in return, with the way this offseason is shaking out with teams from around the league.'

You could probably trade Braydon Coburn for picks, but if you wanted to do that, you'd have done it already and that sure as hell doesn't help the Flyers make the playoffs this season. I can't see the Flyers doing that just to help create a slot for Simon Gagne -- Coburn is simply more valuable.

The only thing I could see happening is if you put Matt Read and Meszaros in a deal together...you might find a team who can take both contracts, like a Calgary...but again, you'd have to think that if the Flyers really wanted to do that, they'd have done so by now.

- AllInForFlyers


A cap floor team would definitely be willing to take a low-risk high-reward chance on Mez, who only has 1 year left on his contract, even if they only give a 6th rounder. Read is a valuable trade asset, you wouldn't just package him so a team will be willing to take Mez. That's poor asset management.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jul 11 @ 12:31 PM ET
Without giving it away, the missing player has played for seven different NHL franchises.
- dilbert719


Huh.

You'd think I'd be a little closer to guessing a guy who's played for nearly a quarter of the league, but man, that one just isn't coming to me! GAH!

WHO ARE YOU, HOCKEY NOMAD? WHY DO YOU TORMENT ME SO?!
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Jul 11 @ 12:33 PM ET
Honestly, I'd be shocked if anybody got it without looking it up.
- BulliesPhan87

Adam Hall

nevermind. That was way off. The seven teams threw me off.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Jul 11 @ 12:34 PM ET
You mean bottom three forwards don't you really? You need to get some scoring from your third line and a lot of these guys can barely find the net.
- mayorofangrytown


I'd give Laughton or McGinn a crack it.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jul 11 @ 12:34 PM ET
I agree, but it's really going to be tricky getting Gagne onto the roster -- it really is.

It's not just the cap. As these guys are discussing, it's going to be tough to find the roster slot that makes sense.

As I believe Tomahawk said, it's going to be difficult to move Meszaros for just a draft pick, because of his salary. You almost have to believe that you're taking a contract back in return, with the way this offseason is shaking out with teams from around the league.'

You could probably trade Braydon Coburn for picks, but if you wanted to do that, you'd have done it already and that sure as hell doesn't help the Flyers make the playoffs this season. I can't see the Flyers doing that just to help create a slot for Simon Gagne -- Coburn is simply more valuable.

The only thing I could see happening is if you put Matt Read and Meszaros in a deal together...you might find a team who can take both contracts, like a Calgary...but again, you'd have to think that if the Flyers really wanted to do that, they'd have done so by now.

- AllInForFlyers


The Flyers are at 50 contracts right now, but should go down once Laughton and Stolarz are sent back down. But I dont think it will be that hard to move Meszaros. Right now they are waiting for 2 things. First is for Meszaros to be declared healthy to play. The second is they are waiting for all FAs to sign, that way a team that missed out on a defenseman become more desperate, and taking a chance on a 1 year contract isn't a bad idea. If Meszaros had more then 1 year left on the contract, sure it would be tough. But as long as the Flyers dont care about the value coming back they should be fine.

Also the Flyers arent trading Meszaros or Coburn to make room for Gagne, they are trading them because there are 7 top 6 starters on D and they are over the cap. The fact that Gagne will be resigned with some of that money has nothing to do with the move needing to happen.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 11 @ 12:34 PM ET
A cap floor team would definitely be willing to take a low-risk high-reward chance on Mez, who only has 1 year left on his contract, even if they only give a 6th rounder. Read is a valuable trade asset, you wouldn't just package him so a team will be willing to take Mez. That's poor asset management.
- JAKEw1234



Problem is, your cap floor team would have to be willing to pay out $5.5M in real salary while only having it count $4M against the floor. Not a likely scenario.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jul 11 @ 12:34 PM ET
A cap floor team would definitely be willing to take a low-risk high-reward chance on Mez, who only has 1 year left on his contract, even if they only give a 6th rounder. Read is a valuable trade asset, you wouldn't just package him so a team will be willing to take Mez. That's poor asset management.
- JAKEw1234


Again, that's easy to say -- I totally believed that, at one time.

The problem is, again, that if was that easy to do, the Flyers probably would've moved Mesaros by now -- while he isn't cleared yet, there's no real reason to believe he won't be, and if a team really wanted him they would've taken him.

I don't know -- you'd think that moving Meszaros should be something that could be done, but until it is, I do wonder exactly how he's getting off the roster.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Jul 11 @ 12:34 PM ET
Honestly, I'd be shocked if anybody got it without looking it up.
- BulliesPhan87


Hamrlik? I think I've seen this question on the Twitter before.
dilbert719
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 11.30.2006

Jul 11 @ 12:35 PM ET
And there we go. Roman Hamrlik, the current active NHL games played leader.
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