Hockey Inside Out and RDS are saying a Possible three team deal involving the Habs, Oilers and Sabres is in the works, accoding to them, Montreal adds Ryan Miller and Vanek, the Oilers get a Habs defenseman and Carey Price, with Buffalo getting a Star Oilers foward, Gionta, first rounder McCarron and Two second rounders.
- jillann
- AdamFrench

I really hope that doesn't happen...

Why the hell would Edmonton mortgage a big part of their future for a rental at this point? Be it Vanek, Miller, Phaneuf or anyone else. There's a good chance that we're not a playoff team this year anyways. Rentals are for teams that are already contenders, which we aren't. All this talk is just stupidity.

Hockey Inside Out and RDS are saying a Possible three team deal involving the Habs, Oilers and Sabres is in the works, accoding to them, Montreal adds Ryan Miller and Vanek, the Oilers get a Habs defenseman and Carey Price, with Buffalo getting a Star Oilers foward, Gionta, first rounder McCarron and Two second rounders.
- jillann
- AdamFrench

I would take Vanek and Miller to the airport myself if that helps make this trade happen

What Dman would the Oils want besides for PK if they're giving up a star young guy? Have the Habs really given up on Price that much that they're willing to give big assets to bring in a head case like Miller?
- JAKEw1234

exactly. If a Goalie is the big prize in an oilers deal where we give up a young star, I'm not interested. MacT didn't sign Labarbera, Dubnyk's friend and training buddy because he wanted a support network for his BACKUP.

Well we'll hope it's Bogdan Yakimov, if for no other reason that name value.
- Morris

Possibly Khairi, but I do t want to blow my load on the guy just yet.

I really hope that doesn't happen...
- Morris

It made me lool.

Possibly Khairi, but I do t want to blow my load on the guy just yet.
- Jeropotato

Woah buddy...

Woah buddy...
- JAKEw1234

I really hope that doesn't happen...
- Morris

Why.... Linus Omark isn't in our future plans.

So Turris will grow far past his projected level and far exceed his expectations in order to become the superior, or even an even player to, Gagner. And why will he exceed his potential so far as very few young players do? Because he plays for the Senators, obviously. Everyone knows that the Senators are the greatest team to ever grace this league and their coaching staff has the ability to turn coal into diamonds and turn Turris into a borderline 1st line center The dude will never be more than a 2nd liner.
- JAKEw1234

Turris's projected level was probably more than an average 2nd line center, thats why he was drafted third, with a third pick im hoping for top pairing dman or a top line forward, so by that measure he won't get past his projected potential, but of course Gagner will right? I mean he has been a 2nd line center his whole career but of course he will become a 1st line center like you say but turris can't be more than a 2nd line player because that's what he is now and Gagner had better season early in there careers good to know though that player you are arguing for will become better but turris wil stay put even though he is steadily improving and Maclean said he was one of the most improved players, and since Gagner is bound to be soo good why haven't the oil signed him I mean ill give a number one center a no trade clauses why would I want to trade someone so good?

Hockey Inside Out and RDS are saying a Possible three team deal involving the Habs, Oilers and Sabres is in the works, accoding to them, Montreal adds Ryan Miller and Vanek, the Oilers get a Habs defenseman and Carey Price, with Buffalo getting a Star Oilers foward, Gionta, first rounder McCarron and Two second rounders.
- jillann
- AdamFrench

So basically the Oilers trade a star forward for a goalie. No one trades star youngsters for goalies. No one gives up a young goalie unless there is a problem with him either.

Hockey Inside Out and RDS are saying a Possible three team deal involving the Habs, Oilers and Sabres is in the works, accoding to them, Montreal adds Ryan Miller and Vanek, the Oilers get a Habs defenseman and Carey Price, with Buffalo getting a Star Oilers foward, Gionta, first rounder McCarron and Two second rounders.
- jillann
- AdamFrench

I'll believe it when I see it. Why the hell would Montreal do that?

EDIT: for that matter, why would Edmonton? If it were PK coming back sure, but again, why the hell would Montreal do that? I think it's BS.

Hockey Inside Out and RDS are saying a Possible three team deal involving the Habs, Oilers and Sabres is in the works, accoding to them, Montreal adds Ryan Miller and Vanek, the Oilers get a Habs defenseman and Carey Price, with Buffalo getting a Star Oilers foward, Gionta, first rounder McCarron and Two second rounders.
- jillann
- AdamFrench

The oilers star forward would have to be Gagner and it would be Edmonton's first round pick that Buffalo is getting. Maybe Edmontons second in 2015 as well. Depends on the dman coming back. Gagner and a first is too much for Price but I could see us throwing in a second as well to get a dman. Basically though this would be Edmonton trading with Montreal and the Habs trading with Buffalo. This could be what everyone is looking for. Montreal might not be as interested in Miller as they are in Miller and Vanek.

Turris's projected level was probably more than an average 2nd line center, thats why he was drafted third, with a third pick im hoping for top pairing dman or a top line forward, so by that measure he won't get past his projected potential, but of course Gagner will right? I mean he has been a 2nd line center his whole career but of course he will become a 1st line center like you say but turris can't be more than a 2nd line player because that's what he is now and Gagner had better season early in there careers good to know though that player you are arguing for will become better but turris wil stay put even though he is steadily improving and Maclean said he was one of the most improved players, and since Gagner is bound to be soo good why haven't the oil signed him I mean ill give a number one center a no trade clauses why would I want to trade someone so good?
- 6Karlsson5

Despite being a solidified NHLer, Turris was a bust of a pick. In the year he was picked 3rd, Phoenix left Voracek, Gagner, Couture, Shattenkirk, McDonagh, and Alzner on the board. All of those guys are more valuable than Turris. Almost out of the gate Turris had a lower potential than Gagner. That didn't change when he was back and forth between the NHL and AHL, and it especially didn't change when he was traded to the Senators. He has the potential of a 2nd liner, and Gagner has the potential of a #1 center. I don't think Gagner will see this potential reached, but I think he can be a very good 2nd line center, like 1b guy. Not your number 1, but able to hold down a very skillful line. They're just not even. I know you wish they were because you're a Senators fan, but it's just not true. It's not true statistically. It's not true otherwise, as Gagner is believed to have much higher potential. It's only true in your head and probably the heads of many other senators fans. But that's the only place.

I'll believe it when I see it. Why the hell would Montreal do that?

EDIT: for that matter, why would Edmonton? If it were PK coming back sure, but again, why the hell would Montreal do that? I think it's BS.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

You're asking this?

Of course it's bullpoop.

You're asking this?

Of course it's bullpoop.
- AdamFrench

RDS is the only thing that made me even address it. They've broken stuff before. But this is just...wow...

Possibly Khairi, but I do t want to blow my load on the guy just yet.
- Jeropotato

Khaira looked like a beast in development camp. Still has a long way to go before he's NHL ready but hopefully one of the big forwards we've drafted over the last couple of years can turn into something useful
(frank)in computer (frank)ed up this post hahaha

Turris's projected level was probably more than an average 2nd line center, thats why he was drafted third, with a third pick im hoping for top pairing dman or a top line forward, so by that measure he won't get past his projected potential, but of course Gagner will right? I mean he has been a 2nd line center his whole career but of course he will become a 1st line center like you say but turris can't be more than a 2nd line player because that's what he is now and Gagner had better season early in there careers good to know though that player you are arguing for will become better but turris wil stay put even though he is steadily improving and Maclean said he was one of the most improved players, and since Gagner is bound to be soo good why haven't the oil signed him I mean ill give a number one center a no trade clauses why would I want to trade someone so good?
- 6Karlsson5

This is your argument? think very carefully before affirming that this is indeed your line of reasoning.

RDS is the only thing that made me even address it. They've broken stuff before. But this is just...wow...
- TheTaoOfSemenko

Next years draft is going to be fun...need to draft Jason Fuchs

Despite being a solidified NHLer, Turris was a bust of a pick. In the year he was picked 3rd, Phoenix left Voracek, Gagner, Couture, Shattenkirk, McDonagh, and Alzner on the board. All of those guys are more valuable than Turris. Almost out of the gate Turris had a lower potential than Gagner. That didn't change when he was back and forth between the NHL and AHL, and it especially didn't change when he was traded to the Senators. He has the potential of a 2nd liner, and Gagner has the potential of a #1 center. I don't think Gagner will see this potential reached, but I think he can be a very good 2nd line center, like 1b guy. Not your number 1, but able to hold down a very skillful line. They're just not even. I know you wish they were because you're a Senators fan, but it's just not true. It's not true statistically. It's not true otherwise, as Gagner is believed to have much higher potential. It's only true in your head and probably the heads of many other senators fans. But that's the only place.
- JAKEw1234

Only true in my head yeah okay then, obviously the coyotes brass had high expectations for him so did the sens management thy have up at the time and elite prospect and second. How does Gagner have 1st line potential but turris doesn't? I know your all knowing please tell him who will win the cup next year?

This is your argument? think very carefully before affirming that this is indeed your line of reasoning.
- Morris

Well I know that's a major concern and cause he wants I much money I don't follow his contract situation but if he is gunna be a 1st liner what the problem?

Only true in my head yeah okay then, obviously the coyotes brass had high expectations for him so did the sens management thy have up at the time and elite prospect and second. How does Gagner have 1st line potential but turris doesn't? I know your all knowing please tell him who will win the cup next year?
- 6Karlsson5

Hey I have an idea. How about people stop predicting the future? Turris remains a Sen. Gagner remains an Oiler. Neither really interacts unless the apocalyptic event of an Oilers/Sens SCF happens. Mmmk?

Sorry but this stupid debate is making my head hurt.

Only true in my head yeah okay then, obviously the coyotes brass had high expectations for him so did the sens management thy have up at the time and elite prospect and second. How does Gagner have 1st line potential but turris doesn't? I know your all knowing please tell him who will win the cup next year?
- 6Karlsson5

To get away from personal opinions I use hockeysfuture.com as well as some others. He was traded from the Coyotes because he requested a trade And sorry to disappoint you but that trade was fairly one-sided for the coyotes.

To get away from personal opinions I use hockeysfuture.com as well as some others. He was traded from the Coyotes because he requested a trade And sorry to disappoint you but that trade was fairly one-sided for the coyotes.
- JAKEw1234

Yeah okay then we make the trade make the playoffs twice after missing it they make the trade and have a second and what rundblad has had what 12 games played and 1 point but yeah we lost the trade

To be fair his ability to move the puck to the forwards would be pretty huge.

It's the own zone coverage that worries me. Probably Edmonton's main issue on D. That and giveaways in general. Not sure how Letang helps address those. Frankly, Id be more interested in Martin.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

He is going to keep getting better...I wish we could afford him.
He also plays with an edge to his game that I love.