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jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jul 15 @ 11:21 AM ET
If Mez could have been moved for a pick, he'd be gone already. There was already zero interest in salary dump trades for comparable guys in comparable situations (Kuba, Colaiacovo, Gilbert) and their teams had to CBO them instead.
- Tomahawk

He needs to be medically cleared first.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 15 @ 11:22 AM ET
If Mez plays in pre-season and shows he's healthy they may have some takers.
- PhillySportsGuy



It's less about the player's ability/health and more about the 10% drop in the ceiling and the fact that Mez's salary outpaces his cap-hit by almost 40%. Big-budget teams don't have the space to take him on, and low-budget teams are looking for salary-relief for taking on a big cap-hit.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jul 15 @ 11:22 AM ET
Just throwing this out there to hear some legitimate responses but, what about a trade for Phaneuf? We probably have the assets (one or more defenseman need to be moved and possibly Read)? His style would maybe bring a little more stability to the Flyer's questionable D.
- dmleip


I would be ok with getting Phaneuf, but the cap would be difficult to manage. I think you would have to trade both Coburn and Meszaros to fit him and get under the cap.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 15 @ 11:23 AM ET
Did you watch him in the Playoffs? Im not saying he is a terrible player.. actually, he is a very good, very rare, d-man. He is not elite, but he is above average, and to have the ability to be a 40+ point d-man, and play the physical game he plays... its something else.

However, he does routinely put himself out of position.

- jak521


I think he'd be a nice addition to a certain team. He needs to get out of Toronto. I just don't think the Flyers are a good match.
missingmike
Joined: 07.08.2011

Jul 15 @ 11:23 AM ET
If Mez could have been moved for a pick, he'd be gone already. There was already zero interest in salary dump trades for comparable guys in comparable situations (Kuba, Colaiacovo, Gilbert) and their teams had to CBO them instead.
- Tomahawk


He might have not been declared healthy enough for the trade yet.

Edit: Leight
flyershockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: smh, NC
Joined: 07.09.2006

Jul 15 @ 11:24 AM ET
If Mez could have been moved for a pick, he'd be gone already. There was already zero interest in salary dump trades for comparable guys in comparable situations (Kuba, Colaiacovo, Gilbert) and their teams had to CBO them instead.
- Tomahawk


they cant trade him yet because he hasn't been cleared...so no, he wouldnt be gone already.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 15 @ 11:25 AM ET
He needs to be medically cleared first.
- jak521



Injured players can be traded, they just can't be bought out.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 15 @ 11:25 AM ET
He needs to be medically cleared first.
- jak521


He doesn't need to be medically cleared to be traded, so long as the team acquiring him accepts him as "damaged goods". There's no NHL rule against trading injured players, like there is against buying out an injured guy.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 15 @ 11:26 AM ET
they cant trade him yet because he hasn't been cleared...so no, he wouldnt be gone already.
- flyershockey


There is no NHL rule against trading injured players. As long as the team acquiring the player agrees to accept him, injured guys can get traded
flyershockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: smh, NC
Joined: 07.09.2006

Jul 15 @ 11:26 AM ET
He doesn't need to be medically cleared to be traded, so long as the team acquiring him accepts him as "damaged goods". There's no NHL rule against trading injured players, like there is against buying out an injured guy.
- Jsaquella


a team isnt going to trade for an injured guy 99.9% of the time, so while not being necessarily on the books, its basically an unwritten rule.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 15 @ 11:26 AM ET
He doesn't need to be medically cleared to be traded, so long as the team acquiring him accepts him as "damaged goods". There's no NHL rule against trading injured players, like there is against buying out an injured guy.
- Jsaquella


I guess it's like buying a house 'as is'
flyershockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: smh, NC
Joined: 07.09.2006

Jul 15 @ 11:26 AM ET
There is no NHL rule against trading injured players. As long as the team acquiring the player agrees to accept him, injured guys can get traded
- Jsaquella


thanks for saying that twice.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 15 @ 11:26 AM ET
So assuming Stolarz slides and Laughton stays, the Flyers have 3 contract slots to work with?
- PhillySportsGuy



1 contract I beleive.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 15 @ 11:27 AM ET
a team isnt going to trade for an injured guy 99.9% of the time, so while not being necessarily on the books, its basically an unwritten rule.
- flyershockey


It's a shame the Oilers or Flames don't have the Sixers doctors.
flyershockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: smh, NC
Joined: 07.09.2006

Jul 15 @ 11:27 AM ET
Nathan. Horton.
- Tomahawk


he wasnt traded, he was a Free. Agent.

lolz looks like someone realized their mistake and deleted it.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 15 @ 11:27 AM ET
His style would bring less stability, IMO.

He is a very agressive guy.. Big hitter, big shot, but with his high reward comes even bigger risks. He is constantly sacrificing position for body contact (see games 7 of playoffs), and when it doesnt go his way.. the results are ugly.

- jak521



I agree. He's very dyanamic and has a lot of skill. But I think you describe his game accurately.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 15 @ 11:28 AM ET
he wasnt traded, he was a Free. Agent.
- flyershockey



Meh, I realized that, then quickly deleted the post. You're too fast
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jul 15 @ 11:28 AM ET
He doesn't need to be medically cleared to be traded, so long as the team acquiring him accepts him as "damaged goods". There's no NHL rule against trading injured players, like there is against buying out an injured guy.
- Jsaquella

I know that. Im saying, the guy has been injured for practically two year straight. Who is gonna take a Flyers on him prior to him being medically cleared.

We traded Versteeg (i believe) 2 days after he had surgery to repair a sports hernia.
dmleip
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 03.04.2009

Jul 15 @ 11:29 AM ET
I would be ok with getting Phaneuf, but the cap would be difficult to manage. I think you would have to trade both Coburn and Meszaros to fit him and get under the cap.
- youarewrong



My thoughts there are that it's very probable that one of Mez or Coburn are gone in a salary dump(for practically nothing) deal anyway. Why not trade both of them for an upgrade?
flyers4487
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Jamison, PA
Joined: 02.15.2007

Jul 15 @ 11:29 AM ET
id almost be willing to eat some of that contract just to get under the cap until prongers contract can be moved to ltir. I really really dont want to trade coburn....
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jul 15 @ 11:29 AM ET
It's a shame the Oilers or Flames don't have the Sixers doctors.
- PhillySportsGuy

Watch it pal
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 15 @ 11:29 AM ET
a team isnt going to trade for an injured guy 99.9% of the time, so while not being necessarily on the books, its basically an unwritten rule.
- flyershockey


Injured guys do get traded. When the Flyers acquired Alexandre Daigle, they traded an injured Vinny Prospal to get him. When LA acquired Colin Fraser a couple/few years ago, he was injured at the time. When the Flyers traded Kris Versteeg to Florida, he had just had sport hernia surgery and wasn't fully cleared.

Trading of injured guys does happen
MannySilvers
New Jersey Devils
Location: ROCK LAND, NY
Joined: 10.07.2010

Jul 15 @ 11:30 AM ET
How has your Larsson progressed? Do you guys still feel the same way about him you did 2 years ago?
- PhillySportsGuy


He just didn't play enough last year, when he played I thought he was very good with the occasional "young" mistake, but the only way I see those getting ironed out is just him playing. I didn't really understand why he didn't play every game last year. He was very very good I thought in the semifinals against you guys in 2012, I never understood why he didn't play agains the Rangers or Kings either...

Also with Kovy gone he's sure to get a good amount of PP time which I think will be very good for him.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 15 @ 11:30 AM ET
If Mez could have been moved for a pick, he'd be gone already. There was already zero interest in salary dump trades for comparable guys in comparable situations (Kuba, Colaiacovo, Gilbert) and their teams had to CBO them instead.
- Tomahawk



I don't beleive that to be true. Things tend to change in a hurry in this League.
flyershockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: smh, NC
Joined: 07.09.2006

Jul 15 @ 11:30 AM ET
I know that. Im saying, the guy has been injured for practically two year straight. Who is gonna take a Flyers on him prior to him being medically cleared.

We traded Versteeg (i believe) 2 days after he had surgery to repair a sports hernia.

- jak521


hes an easy candidate for a conditional trade. x number of games played = x round pick. if he gets hurt, he goes on LTIR and the team gets the cap space back and loses nothing. if he stays healthy, you get a relative steal. and its only this year. win for everyone.
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