I know that. Im saying, the guy has been injured for practically two year straight. Who is gonna take a Flyers on him prior to him being medically cleared.

We traded Versteeg (i believe) 2 days after he had surgery to repair a sports hernia.
- jak521

Yeah, but what difference is official medical clearance going to make in terms of his ability (or inability) to draw interest from other teams? He's going to get cleared soon, I'm sure Homer isn't shy about letting other teams know that eventuality. The biggest hurdle is his cap-number/salary... I suspect they'd have to take money back in any deal for him.

Injured guys do get traded. When the Flyers acquired Alexandre Daigle, they traded an injured Vinny Prospal to get him. When LA acquired Colin Fraser a couple/few years ago, he was injured at the time. When the Flyers traded Kris Versteeg to Florida, he had just had sport hernia surgery and wasn't fully cleared.

Trading of injured guys does happen
- Jsaquella

so thats 2 instances, over, 10-15 years? thanks for that stunning follow up.

I guess it's like buying a house 'as is'
- PhillySportsGuy

Basically, yes.

hes an easy candidate for a conditional trade. x number of games played = x round pick. if he gets hurt, he goes on LTIR and the team gets the cap space back and loses nothing. if he stays healthy, you get a relative steal. and its only this year. win for everyone.
- flyershockey

I think team want to know they have a healthy commodity before spending 4 mill on a guy who wont play.

so thats 2 instances, over, 10-15 years? thanks for that stunning follow up.
- flyershockey

Actually, it was 3 instances. But hey, who's counting?

so thats 2 instances, over, 10-15 years? thanks for that stunning follow up.
- flyershockey

If you can manage to get over your snark for a minute, invest a few more minutes in simple google searches, you may find it happens a bit more often than you would like to believe.

Actually, it was 3 instances. But hey, who's counting?
- Jsaquella

Actually, it was 3 instances. But hey, who's counting?
- Jsaquella

poop so percentage wise you went up like .000000000000001 of all the trades made over that period, my apologies.

He just didn't play enough last year, when he played I thought he was very good with the occasional "young" mistake, but the only way I see those getting ironed out is just him playing. I didn't really understand why he didn't play every game last year. He was very very good I thought in the semifinals against you guys in 2012, I never understood why he didn't play agains the Rangers or Kings either...

Also with Kovy gone he's sure to get a good amount of PP time which I think will be very good for him.
- MannySilvers

No reason not to play him this whole season. Defenseman take 5 years to develop sometimes.

I know that. Im saying, the guy has been injured for practically two year straight. Who is gonna take a Flyers on him prior to him being medically cleared.

We traded Versteeg (i believe) 2 days after he had surgery to repair a sports hernia.
- jak521

I don't think that medical clearance is a huge stumbling block, as much as the injury history and the contracts' combination of cap hit and salary.

Meszaros isn;t cheap on the cap at $4mm, and his salary is actually $5.5mm, so he wouldn't be attractive to a team trying to reach the salary floor, since they'd have to pay him more than his cap hit.

If you can manage to get over your snark for a minute, invest a few more minutes in simple google searches, you may find it happens a bit more often than you would like to believe.
- jak521

if you can get over being on jsaq's d, its very rare that it happens.

hes an easy candidate for a conditional trade. x number of games played = x round pick. if he gets hurt, he goes on LTIR and the team gets the cap space back and loses nothing. if he stays healthy, you get a relative steal. and its only this year. win for everyone.
- flyershockey

If he get's hurt, the team acquiring him certainly loses something. They have to pay the player 5.5M. And LTIR only helps a team if they are at or over the Upper Limit.

poop so percentage wise you went up like .000000000000001 of all the trades made over that period, my apologies.
- flyershockey

Well, considering the point wasn't how often it happened, but that it was legal to make a trade for injured players, not really sure what you're going on about.

Maybe if you knew the rules in the first place, or did the 30 seconds of research, you would have figured it out on your own.

if you can get over being on jsaq's d, its very rare that it happens.
- flyershockey

http://wiki.answers.com/Q...injured_player_in_the_NHL

so this is where you got your answer?

Whether or not it happens on a daily basis wasnt the point. The point is that it can, and does happen.

I don't think that medical clearance is a huge stumbling block, as much as the injury history and the contracts' combination of cap hit and salary.

Meszaros isn;t cheap on the cap at $4mm, and his salary is actually $5.5mm, so he wouldn't be attractive to a team trying to reach the salary floor, since they'd have to pay him more than his cap hit.
- Jsaquella

If they were eligible for an out-of-period buy out, that might have been the best way to get rid of most of his cap hit.

http://www.capgeek.com/bu...3&buyout_m=07&buyout_d=20

If he get's hurt, the team acquiring him certainly loses something. They have to pay the player 5.5M. And LTIR only helps a team if they are at or over the Upper Limit.
- MJL

if they arent spending to the cap anyway then the 4mm hit doesnt matter, so again, not losing anything there. agree the 5.5 means something, but its not a long term commitment and you also potentially are acquiring a top 4 d man for peanuts.

Yeah, but what difference is official medical clearance going to make in terms of his ability (or inability) to draw interest from other teams? He's going to get cleared soon, I'm sure Homer isn't shy about letting other teams know that eventuality. The biggest hurdle is his cap-number/salary... I suspect they'd have to take money back in any deal for him.
- Tomahawk

I think it's far more about the injury history, then his contract. He only has one year left on it. If he was a completely healthy player, without the recent injuries. He'd be relatively easy to move.

Yeah, but what difference is official medical clearance going to make in terms of his ability (or inability) to draw interest from other teams? He's going to get cleared soon, I'm sure Homer isn't shy about letting other teams know that eventuality. The biggest hurdle is his cap-number/salary... I suspect they'd have to take money back in any deal for him.
- Tomahawk

I absolutely agree with you. I guess my point is that if he didnt have a medical history, trading him would be a hell of a lot easier. Its the combo of the medical history, his cap hit, and the question marks that surround both.

It's a shame the Oilers or Flames don't have the Sixers doctors.
- PhillySportsGuy

You can add Phillies. The Garcia trade was awful.

Well, considering the point wasn't how often it happened, but that it was legal to make a trade for injured players, not really sure what you're going on about.

Maybe if you knew the rules in the first place, or did the 30 seconds of research, you would have figured it out on your own.
- Jsaquella

my point is legal or not, its rare trades of injured players happen. it remains a fact even if you pull up alexander (frank)ing daigle's name.

You can add Phillies. The Garcia trade was awful.
- jstross

Mike Adams

I absolutely agree with you. I guess my point is that if he didnt have a medical history, trading him would be a hell of a lot easier. Its the combo of the medical history, his cap hit, and the question marks that surround both.
- jak521

Yeah, it's a perfect storm of suck in terms of trade value.

if they arent spending to the cap anyway then the 4mm hit doesnt matter, so again, not losing anything there. agree the 5.5 means something, but its not a long term commitment and you also potentially are acquiring a top 4 d man for peanuts.
- flyershockey

The point is that most teams aren't real excited about paying out 5.5M for a player that's not playing.

Injured guys do get traded. When the Flyers acquired Alexandre Daigle, they traded an injured Vinny Prospal to get him. When LA acquired Colin Fraser a couple/few years ago, he was injured at the time. When the Flyers traded Kris Versteeg to Florida, he had just had sport hernia surgery and wasn't fully cleared.

Trading of injured guys does happen
- Jsaquella

I agree it does happen, but I'm not clear on the rules regarding players on LTIR.

For Example, would the Flyers be able to trade Chris Pronger to a cap floor team and give them a 1st round pick to take the contract on. Kind of like Boston trading Thomas's contract to the Islanders.

If they were eligible for an out-of-period buy out, that might have been the best way to get rid of most of his cap hit.

http://www.capgeek.com/bu...3&buyout_m=07&buyout_d=20
- Tomahawk

Yeah, and free up a contract slot, to boot.

They may just have to carry him through camp, and then waive guys like Rosehill, Gervais and Bourdon to be under the cap when the season starts, and then put Pronger on LTIR immediately.