Lindros practically murdered Barnaby in this fight. It was glorious:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=851QJSfNRgM
- johndewar

Reminds me of Talbot getting Lecavalier off the ice. Barnaby just did his job there.

This never gets old and today seems like an appropriate day for a revisit. I assume he brings this level of passion to his "desk" job.

Honestly I dont think hommer has done a bad job..he has proven very good at rebuilding this team quickly (2007 and in 2010). Has done a good job at the draft as well. Yes picking bryz over bob has been a disaster, but we still don't know if that was his call. Also with the cap going down 6 mill this offseason he did a pretty good job of upgrading the team.
- flyers4487

I think Holmgren has done a great job. There's certain issues I have with some aspects of his work, but those are minor. I think he's a very good GM, overall.

I do like that Hextall is back, because I like Hexy. Not sold on him as being a great GM, but he is said to be very well regarded around the NHL.

And how many complained about the money Carle could command? And I'm fine with him going for the home run. If he lands Weber, we have a franchise defenseman patrolling the blueline. At the time I was fine with the Flyers walking away from Carle. I felt that paying him that money would hinder the Flyers ability to find what they really needed. A true #1 defenseman. Now that they signed Streit, in hindsight, I wish they had kept Carle. He's a better all around player then Streit is.
- MJL

My point was he was playing without a safety net. All indicications were Parise and Suter were going to Minnesota. While they were taking thier sweet time stringing along the Flyers, anyone else the Flyers could have signed was already gone.

Sean Avery. A guy like Mathew Barnaby was a team pest. He would fight bigger guys like Peter Warrell and his teammates loved him. You cannot say the same about a guy like Sean Avery which is why he's not playing anymore.
- dingo8urbaby

It's one major thing that makes Sean Avery one of, if not the most hated player in the NHL right now (assuming he ever comes back, thought he got buried in the AHL) and Rinaldo a respectable agitator. Rinaldo will line up with the big guys and fight very often. I still remember when Avery hit Thomas on the back of the head with his stick when he was skating off, and tried to make it look accidental and skated away casually. When Thomas realized what happened, and charged Avery, Avery just ran away like a female dog. Please tell me I'm not the only one who remembers that?

I think Holmgren has done a great job. There's certain issues I have with some aspects of his work, but those are minor. I think he's a very good GM, overall.

I do like that Hextall is back, because I like Hexy. Not sold on him as being a great GM, but he is said to be very well regarded around the NHL.
- Jsaquella

Right now I'm just happy that now not only do we have a great GM, but we have a really great AGM. It's cause for excitement.

This never gets old and today seems like an appropriate day for a revisit. I assume he brings this level of passion to his "deks" job.


- Scoob

the last great flyers goaltender

My point was he was playing without a safety net. All indicications were Parise and Suter were going to Minnesota. While they were taking thier sweet time stringing along the Flyers, anyone else the Flyers could have signed was already gone.
- youarewrong

I can't even imagine having Parise AND Suter in our lineup today. We're against the cap now, how the hell would we be able to afford 2 more 7 mil contracts? I realize that Streit wouldn't be here, but still that's 9 mil more than we have now.

I think Holmgren has done a great job. There's certain issues I have with some aspects of his work, but those are minor. I think he's a very good GM, overall.

I do like that Hextall is back, because I like Hexy. Not sold on him as being a great GM, but he is said to be very well regarded around the NHL.
- Jsaquella

I notice he does such a good job building the key parts of the team and then when it comes time round out the team with fringe players and 4th liners is where he makes all his mistakes lol.

Teams are still built the same way. Through the draft, trades, and free agency. No matter how well you draft. You still need to use other means to supplement the team.
- MJL

Agreed, but the draft impacts not only your roster but your ability to trade. You have to have assets to trade. Without having Simmonds and Schenn, LA doesn't acquire Richards. Or they would have to trade a key piece like Brown or Voynov which possibly could of prevented them from winning the cup.

Lindros practically murdered Barnaby in this fight. It was glorious:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=851QJSfNRgM
- johndewar

One of the reasons I can't stand Jeanerette.

My point was he was playing without a safety net. All indicications were Parise and Suter were going to Minnesota. While they were taking thier sweet time stringing along the Flyers, anyone else the Flyers could have signed was already gone.
- youarewrong

I seem to recall the situation being that due to tagging space homer couldn't resign carle until july 1st... and they somewhat had a deal worked out beforehand.. that was until wideman signed for ridiculous money and everything came unhinged from there.

It's one major thing that makes Sean Avery one of, if not the most hated player in the NHL right now (assuming he ever comes back, thought he got buried in the AHL) and Rinaldo a respectable agitator. Rinaldo will line up with the big guys and fight very often. I still remember when Avery hit Thomas on the back of the head with his stick when he was skating off, and tried to make it look accidental and skated away casually. When Thomas realized what happened, and charged Avery, Avery just ran away like a female dog. Please tell me I'm not the only one who remembers that?
- JAKEw1234

It's still pretty recent, I remember. Another guy like Maxim Lapierre I do not respect. He I just ate but refuses to answer the bell when it's time. Chris Neil plays a tough guy's role and only picks on smaller guys and doesn't fight as much as a so called tough guy should. Andrew Peters jumping in to defend Biron from Emery. Biron was asking for it was a fair one on one fight. Peters made a stupid decision by going after an undeserving Ray Emery who held up alright.

Lindros practically murdered Barnaby in this fight. It was glorious:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=851QJSfNRgM
- johndewar

Nice fight right up until the part where he was pummeling him after he was down.

It's still pretty recent, I remember. Another guy like Maxim Lapierre I do not respect. He I just ate but refuses to answer the bell when it's time. Chris Neil plays a tough guy's role and only picks on smaller guys and doesn't fight as much as a so called tough guy should. Andrew Peters jumping in to defend Biron from Emery. Biron was asking for it was a fair one on one fight. Peters made a stupid decision by going after an undeserving Ray Emery who held up alright.
- dingo8urbaby

I hate Chris Neil on the ice, but he's a Hartnell type character who's a very good guy off the ice and in the locker room.

I think Holmgren has done a great job. There's certain issues I have with some aspects of his work, but those are minor. I think he's a very good GM, overall.

I do like that Hextall is back, because I like Hexy. Not sold on him as being a great GM, but he is said to be very well regarded around the NHL.
- Jsaquella

I think there 3 different types of "good" GM's.

One is the type that is good at building a team or retooling a team. Taking them from bad to good quickly.

Another is the type of GM that takes a good team and brings them over the top into a winning team, or a team that competes to win over a short window.

Then there is the GM that is really good at both. I would say NJD and Det are the only teams that have a GM like that.

I think Homer was the former, and if the team doesn't make significant improvement this year, we may try and get someone that can finish... Likely Hextall.

My point was he was playing without a safety net. All indicications were Parise and Suter were going to Minnesota. While they were taking thier sweet time stringing along the Flyers, anyone else the Flyers could have signed was already gone.
- youarewrong

Like who?

I hate Chris Neil on the ice, but he's a Hartnell type character who's a very good guy off the ice and in the locker room.
- JAKEw1234

I would say a very watered down Hartnell. Hartnell at least talented on the ice in what he does and Scott Hartnell is at least cleaver and an actual character guy.

Agreed, but the draft impacts not only your roster but your ability to trade. You have to have assets to trade. Without having Simmonds and Schenn, LA doesn't acquire Richards. Or they would have to trade a key piece like Brown or Voynov which possibly could of prevented them from winning the cup.
- psuhockey

Well the Flyers drafted Richards and Carter. Which allowed them to acquire, Schenn, Simmonds, and Voracek. And the 8th pick in which they selected Couturier. They also drafted JVR, which allowed them to acquire L Schenn.

I notice he does such a good job building the key parts of the team and then when it comes time round out the team with fringe players and 4th liners is where he makes all his mistakes lol.
- flyers4487

Holmgren? The Flyers have very solid 3rd and 4th liners-Talbot, Couturier, Hall, Rinaldo, Fedotenko(last year).

I seem to recall the situation being that due to tagging space homer couldn't resign carle until july 1st... and they somewhat had a deal worked out beforehand.. that was until wideman signed for ridiculous money and everything came unhinged from there.
- moylander

I think Carle would have taken at least a little bit less if the Flyers focused on bringing him back instead of saying, "One second Matt, I'm talking to Ryan here. Just wait, I'll get back to you." Like a guy that asks a girls to wait after she asked him to prom because he wants to ask a cuter girl first.....

thrilled to have hextall back in the fold. i don't look at this move as going back to the broad st. bullies well. hextall, while certainly a pugilist in his own right, is not of that era, and he's been removed from the organization for 6 or 7 years, all the while cutting his teeth and being part of building a cup winning team (albeit with several former flyers players). i'm in no hurry to remove holmger. he's done a good job overall. i also don't think hextall as a future gm is a guarantee for anything. that said, i like this move a lot. a lot.

I dunno our good drafting record (at least in the 1st round) has survived a couple different GM tenures so far and I think our good scouting team will make up for anything Hextall might leave to desire. You have to question how many of the bust picks LA had can be attributed to Hextall's individual scouts. Since he arrived in LA, despite their bust picks they have found Bernier, Lewis, Moller, King, Simmonds, Martinez, Doughty, Voynov, Loktionov (the devils 2nd line center as of now), Clifford, BSchenn, Toffoli, and Pearson. That's 13 players who have played in the NHL, and it's quite a good haul over the past 7 years. I'd take a record like that any day. It'd arguably better than ours, for sure. For comparison we've drafted 14 players that have played at least 1 game in the NHL since 2006.
- JAKEw1234

From 2006-2009 the Kings had 6 1st rd picks, 5 2nds, and 7 3rds and a total of 38 picks while the Flyers had 3 1sts, 4 2nds and 4 3rds and a total of 28 picks. Throw in the fact that the Kings missed the playoffs each year and were picking higher except in 2007,they should have been way more successful then the Flyers.

I think there 3 different types of "good" GM's.

One is the type that is good at building a team or retooling a team. Taking them from bad to good quickly.

Another is the type of GM that takes a good team and brings them over the top into a winning team, or a team that competes to win over a short window.

Then there is the GM that is really good at both. I would say NJD and Det are the only teams that have a GM like that.

I think Homer was the former, and if the team doesn't make significant improvement this year, we may try and get someone that can finish... Likely Hextall.
- youarewrong

I'd say Stan Bowman is also an excellent GM. He lost a ton of pieces from his 2010 team and restocked through the draft and won again. Peter Chiarelli is also a top GM.

Lou Lamoriello is a great GM, but his last title was in 2003

Holmgren? The Flyers have very solid 3rd and 4th liners-Talbot, Couturier, Hall, Rinaldo, Fedotenko(last year).
- Jsaquella

Yea but we are lacking a scoring 4th liner. We need a 20 goal guy at least.