It's not hate, it's jealousy. On the other hand, Philly absolutely hates NY.
- jmatchett383

Jealous of what? They have the Steelers!

Thanks for the prospect video!!

I've read this alot here, with respect to Laughton.

There is a lot that Laughton can still do at the junior hockey level. He can be given a bigger role and get more of a bite offensively. He can actually make the Canadian National team this year and play internationally in World Juniors (he didn't last year). He can go back and try to win a Memorial Cup, etc.

It's not like the kid achieved everything there is to achieve at the junior hockey level and needs a new challenge.

I'm fine with it if he can help the Flyers now and make the team, but don't really understand the rush at all.
- johndewar

It's not about acheiving goals that are team oriented. It's about what's best for the player, and the Flyers. That supercedes any other accomplishments such as making a World Junior team, or winning a Memorial Cup.

Jealous of what? They have the Steelers!
- PhillySportsGuy

Jealous that, outside of sports and eating, there are actually activities to engage in in the Philadelphia area. We have a Pittsburgh office, and whenever people come here, they're always talking about how nice it is to be out here because there's more to do.

And I'm a Steelers fan.

Jealous of what? They have the Steelers!
- PhillySportsGuy

They also have red necks and meth labs.

Lots of meth labs.

HEY GUYS, MAYBE LAUGHTON SHOULD JUST PLAY IN THE AHL

Kinda hard to score 7 goals and 13 points in just 7 playoff games w/ no skill...

I think we all know that while maybe another year in junior might not be the worst idea, the Flyers are going to basically hand him a roster spot on a silver platter by virtue of him being a 1st-round pick... he'd really have to crap the bed or get hurt to miss his shot this year.
- Tomahawk

When I said skill guy earlier, I meant in the NHL. He isn't projected as a top line player. He's more of a 3rd line two-way player.

I was trying to make the point that he can come in and play the 4th line without impeding growth. Whereas a young skilled player may be a waste on the 4th line.

It's not about acheiving goals that are team oriented. It's about what's best for the player, and the Flyers. That supercedes any other accomplishments such as making a World Junior team, or winning a Memorial Cup.
- MJL

Of course, it should be about what's best for the player and the franchise.

And if that means going back to junior hockey, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. I specifically wanted to address the "there is nothing left for him to do in junior hockey" argument because it's really untrue.

Alright so while I don't want to beat a dead horse, out of curiosity I took my "timeless" baseline (The Red Wings all-time goals for per game average) and adjusted some iconic and modern hockey players to this baseline, to get an idea of how they might do in their primes if they were all on an even playing field. It basically adjusted stats that occur due to circumstance (i.e, Gretzky playing on a team with Coffey, Messier, Anderson, and Kurri obviously caused him to have off the chart stats, while Stamkos played on a non-playoff contender who were one of the worse teams in the league, and he still led the league in goal scoring.)

NOTE: these don't necessarily show who is a better or worse player, i.e with Gretzky, who despite having inflated numbers in some part due to playing on the mid-80s Oilers, is still obviously one of the top 2 to ever play, and still put up amazing numbers on worse teams in lower-scoring times. These were just curious to me and I found it interesting.

In all of their highest-scoring seasons:
Mike Bossy - 48 goals/80 games - 0.6 G/G
Steven Stamkos - 65 goals/82 games - 0.79 G/G
Maurice Richard - 34 goals/50 games - 0.68 G/G
Jean Béliveau - 46 goals/70 games - 0.66 G/G
Gordie Howe - 48 goals/70 games - 0.69 G/G
Bernie Geoffrion - 43 goals/64 games - 0.67 G/G
Wayne Gretzky - 55 goals/80 games - 0.69 G/G
Alex Ovechkin - 67 goals/82 games - 0.82 G/G
Mario Lemiuex - 61 goals/76 games - 0.80 G/G
Steve Yzerman - 52 goals/80 games - 0.65 G/G
Sidney Crosby - 51 goals/81 games - 0.63 G/G

So what I'm getting from this is our more 1 dimensional goal scorers of today (Stamkos, Ovechkin) have goal scoring ability that can compare to great scorers of the past. They just lack the 2nd dimension of playmaking like those great players all had.

Not aware of that.
- MJL

http://www.ontariohockeyl...for-connor-mcdavid/119258

Jealous that, outside of sports and eating, there are actually activities to engage in in the Philadelphia area. We have a Pittsburgh office, and whenever people come here, they're always talking about how nice it is to be out here because there's more to do.

And I'm a Steelers fan.
- jmatchett383

traitor

HEY GUYS, MAYBE LAUGHTON SHOULD JUST PLAY IN THE AHL
- Don'tForgetTocchet

When I said skill guy earlier, I meant in the NHL. He isn't projected as a top line player. He's more of a 3rd line two-way player.

I was trying to make the point that he can come in and play the 4th line without impeding growth. Whereas a young skilled player may be a waste on the 4th line.
- PhillySportsGuy

I think the key word here is he "can" play on the 4th line.

They don't NEED him to burn a year right now to play on the 4th line.

HEY GUYS, MAYBE LAUGHTON SHOULD JUST PLAY IN THE AHL
- Don'tForgetTocchet

Why didn't anybody else think of this?

Alright so while I don't want to beat a dead horse, out of curiosity I took my "timeless" baseline (The Red Wings all-time goals for per game average) and adjusted some iconic and modern hockey players to this baseline, to get an idea of how they might do in their primes if they were all on an even playing field. It basically adjusted stats that occur due to circumstance (i.e, Gretzky playing on a team with Coffey, Messier, Anderson, and Kurri obviously caused him to have off the chart stats, while Stamkos played on a non-playoff contender who were one of the worse teams in the league, and he still led the league in goal scoring.)

NOTE: these don't necessarily show who is a better or worse player, i.e with Gretzky, who despite having inflated numbers in some part due to playing on the mid-80s Oilers, is still obviously one of the top 2 to ever play, and still put up amazing numbers on worse teams in lower-scoring times. These was just curios to me and I found it interesting.

In all of their highest-scoring seasons:
Mike Bossy - 48 goals/80 games - 0.6 G/G
Steven Stamkos - 65 goals/82 games - 0.79 G/G
Maurice Richard - 34 goals/50 games - 0.68 G/G
Jean Béliveau - 46 goals/70 games - 0.66 G/G
Gordie Howe - 48 goals/70 games - 0.69 G/G
Bernie Geoffrion - 43 goals/64 games - 0.67 G/G
Wayne Gretzky - 55 goals/80 games - 0.69 G/G
Alex Ovechkin - 67 goals/82 games - 0.82 G/G
Mario Lemiuex - 61 goals/76 games - 0.80 G/G
Steve Yzerman - 52 goals/80 games - 0.65 G/G
Sidney Crosby - 51 goals/81 games - 0.63 G/G

So what I'm getting from this is our more 1 dimensional goal scorers of today (Stamkos, Ovechkin) have goal scoring ability that can compare to great scorers of the past. They just lack the 2nd dimension of playmaking like those great players all had.
- JAKEw1234

Do that stats include wood or composite sticks? And are they with or without legal 2-line passes?

Of course, it should be about what's best for the player and the franchise.

And if that means going back to junior hockey, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. I specifically wanted to address the "there is nothing left for him to do in junior hockey" argument because it's really untrue.
- johndewar

I think most people are referring to Laughton's development specifically, rather then a team goal such as winning the Memorial Cup.

traitor
- PhillySportsGuy

Never been an Eagles fan. No interest in rooting for a team whose goal is to make money as opposed to actually winning. As long as Laurie gets his 8 sellouts, TV $$, and apparel sales (and maybe 1 home playoff game), he's happy.

I think the key word here is he "can" play on the 4th line.

They don't NEED him to burn a year right now to play on the 4th line.
- johndewar

I think if he is ready, there is nothing wrong with getting 4th line ES minutes coupled with PK time which will pad his minutes a little bit.

HEY GUYS, MAYBE LAUGHTON SHOULD JUST PLAY IN THE AHL
- Don'tForgetTocchet

I dont think hes eligible until hes 35+

Morning Bill!
- FlyersGrace

Look at you all first and stuff.

I dont think hes eligible until hes 35+
- PhillySportsGuy

But that would burn a year of his ELC!!!

I think most people are referring to Laughton's development specifically, rather then a team goal such as winning the Memorial Cup.
- MJL

And achieving those team goals can certainly assist Laughton's development.

And achieving those team goals can certainly assist Laughton's development.
- johndewar

So could playing in the NHL.

Never been an Eagles fan. No interest in rooting for a team whose goal is to make money as opposed to actually winning. As long as Laurie gets his 8 sellouts, TV $$, and apparel sales (and maybe 1 home playoff game), he's happy.
- jmatchett383

I don't think that's true. Everyone wants to win. It's not like the Steelers try harder than the Eagles. They're just a better run organization.

The problem with the Eagles is that they want to win a Super Bowl while also re-inventing the game.

Alright so while I don't want to beat a dead horse, out of curiosity I took my "timeless" baseline (The Red Wings all-time goals for per game average) and adjusted some iconic and modern hockey players to this baseline, to get an idea of how they might do in their primes if they were all on an even playing field. It basically adjusted stats that occur due to circumstance (i.e, Gretzky playing on a team with Coffey, Messier, Anderson, and Kurri obviously caused him to have off the chart stats, while Stamkos played on a non-playoff contender who were one of the worse teams in the league, and he still led the league in goal scoring.)

NOTE: these don't necessarily show who is a better or worse player, i.e with Gretzky, who despite having inflated numbers in some part due to playing on the mid-80s Oilers, is still obviously one of the top 2 to ever play, and still put up amazing numbers on worse teams in lower-scoring times. These were just curious to me and I found it interesting.

In all of their highest-scoring seasons:
Mike Bossy - 48 goals/80 games - 0.6 G/G
Steven Stamkos - 65 goals/82 games - 0.79 G/G
Maurice Richard - 34 goals/50 games - 0.68 G/G
Jean Béliveau - 46 goals/70 games - 0.66 G/G
Gordie Howe - 48 goals/70 games - 0.69 G/G
Bernie Geoffrion - 43 goals/64 games - 0.67 G/G
Wayne Gretzky - 55 goals/80 games - 0.69 G/G
Alex Ovechkin - 67 goals/82 games - 0.82 G/G
Mario Lemiuex - 61 goals/76 games - 0.80 G/G
Steve Yzerman - 52 goals/80 games - 0.65 G/G
Sidney Crosby - 51 goals/81 games - 0.63 G/G

So what I'm getting from this is our more 1 dimensional goal scorers of today (Stamkos, Ovechkin) have goal scoring ability that can compare to great scorers of the past. They just lack the 2nd dimension of playmaking like those great players all had.
- JAKEw1234

Not sure why you posted this in this thread. I'm not going to get involved in carrying this over to this thread. But I'll be glad to continue to discuss this in the other thread.