At the most important time of the year Carlyle gave Gardiner a ton of minutes. Enough said.
- RogerRoeper

Maybe he wanted to see him fail

nope I remember the leafs wanter Schultz got gardiner
- jiri_crha

100% correct. And that means nothing at this moment.

nope I remember the leafs wanter Schultz got gardiner
- jiri_crha

You don't know poop. Lol

Sorry calling you out on that.. There is zero proof of that.

100% correct. And that means nothing at this moment.
- RogerRoeper

Where are you guys getting this from? There isn't proof of this at all.

He wasn't in their system.. He was in college.

Murray needed to move lupul.. He earned too much with uncertain health.

So how do you move unwanted salary? By coupling it with a prospect that comes from an area of depth in your organization.

So they included an unsigned gardiner (who Carlyle never coached for a minute) to move lupul.

Plain and simple. Carlyle had nothing to do with it
- Dozzer

That's exactly how Burke ended up with Franson as well for a stiff that had no value.

You don't know poop. Lol

Sorry calling you out on that.. There is zero proof of that.
- Dozzer

dregger said it on tsn

Where are you guys getting this from? There isn't proof of this at all.
- Dozzer

There were a lot of media reports that Burke asked for Shultz first. But again, it means NOTHING at this moment as to Gardiner's future.

I know the facts dozer . did you know most good coaches know things about the prospects in the system lol
- jiri_crha

Actually, most coaches don't know a ton about the players in the system (aside from top picks) until they're closer to the pro level, especially when they haven't signed yet. They're NHL coaches, not scouts. That's why teams have scouts and player development staff.

Actually, most coaches don't know a ton about the players in the system (aside from top picks) until they're closer to the pro level, especially when they haven't signed yet. They're NHL coaches, not scouts. That's why teams have scouts and player development staff.
- Jeffmt

he was at a rookie camp. you don't have to be signed to go to camp

Maybe he wanted to see him fail
- jiri_crha

That's the most likely explanation

Remember at the time lupul was a salary dump as well

People forget about that part
- Dozzer

Schultz was destroying the NCAA (best defenseman and first all-star), they had just drafted Cam Fowler who fell all the way from 3rd to them at 12, Sami Vatanen had just won the Best Defenseman award in Finland...they needed top-4 dmen sooner than later and wanted Beauchemin. So cap dump who never fit in and was injured + a prospect they had an abundance in similar style.

he was at a rookie camp. you don't have to be signed to go to camp
- jiri_crha

Head coaches are barely even at rookie camp, if at all. Seriously, they don't have the time to keep tabs on every single player the team has drafted.

Head coaches are barely even at rookie camp, if at all. Seriously, they don't have the time to keep tabs on every single player the team has drafted.
- Jeffmt

Randy was at rookie camp this year I saw him on tv

he was at a rookie camp. you don't have to be signed to go to camp
- jiri_crha

So you think Carlyle saw him in camp for a few scrimage matches, said "I can't coach this player" and demanded that they trade him?

Most worthless argument ever.

I think Gardiner is second this upcoming season in TOI to Phaneuf. He'll play a ton.
- RogerRoeper

Sent down before Christmas.

So you think Carlyle saw him in camp for a few scrimage matches, said "I can't coach this player" and demanded that they trade him?
- Feeling Glucky?

no I just asked a simple question based on things I have heard and everyone jumped all over me

no I just asked a simple question based on things I have heard and everyone jumped all over me
- jiri_crha

I mean in anaheim.

You're saying Carlyle didn't want him there, as evidenced by them trading him to Toronto.

So you think Carlyle saw him in camp for a few scrimage matches, said "I can't coach this player" and demanded that they trade him?
- Feeling Glucky?

Let's see if we can exaggerate a little more. I'm betting there was a whole bunch they seen that they considered uncoachable.

I mean in anaheim.

You're saying Carlyle didn't want him there, as evidenced by them trading him to Toronto.
- Feeling Glucky?

AND that they had other prospects that they felt would be better

AND that they had other prospects that they felt would be better
- jiri_crha

We like second bests

AND that they had other prospects that they felt would be better
- jiri_crha

ok. We're at the point in the argument where you need to be reminded of what you said.

Once the arguments start changing, there's no point continuing.

I nominate Yetti to clean up the dripping sarcasm and bullpoop off the floor

ok. We're at the point in the argument where you need to be reminded of what you said.

Once the arguments start changing, there's no point continuing.
- Feeling Glucky?

I know what I said and I never wanted to argue . I didn't elaborate on evey issue in my first post but said randy probably had some say in the trade

We like second bests
- honesthockey

I had a few of them at the 4 shields