not a chance. Leafs would be in big trouble without Phaneuf. he's still their best dman, overrated or not.
- Gary_B.

At least someone said it.

Yeah, Dion makes mistakes, yeah he's overpaid. But is he still a top 20 dman in the NHL? yes; and those do not grow on trees.

I think it's doubtful he can be sent down without clearing waivers (which he won't). Which means why would they bother signing him if they don't care if he actually plays for us?
- djamon

Right - so if he can't beat out Holzer or Brennan for spot #7 or 8 do we care if he gets claimed on waivers. Waivers is irrelevant.

if it's a one-way deal it's definitely a precursor to something else. what's the Leafs available capspace now?
- Gary_B.

6.5

if it's a one-way deal it's definitely a precursor to something else. what's the Leafs available capspace now?
- Gary_B.

depending on details of this deal...it was 6.7 mil or so (after smith doesn't make team as he has a 550 k hit)

Fraser gets 800k-1mil, i doubt he gets awarded more.

No, it doesn't.

RFA -- bridge deals...and one smith is gone after camp..550k more. A trade could happen, but all could feasibly fit too. I still think Liles is good as gone though.
- jerseyleaf

We can't sign our existing RFA's AND Ranger. Especially since Ranger is not likely to be playing for the minimum. We can't even afford the bridge deals as well as Ranger. Unless we trade Liles...who's actually better than Ranger.

Of course. But what I do know is this guy is not an upgrade on what we already have. So it makes me wonder why bother.
- djamon

Out of Ranger, Brennan or Holzer. who is the best 7th Dman?

At least someone said it.

Yeah, Dion makes mistakes, yeah he's overpaid. But is he still a top 20 dman in the NHL? yes; and those do not grow on trees.
- jerseyleaf

not every team has defencemen being considered for Team Canada

Really? Making the Leafs worse would be the best day of your life?
- djamon

Obviously this deuchebag is a troll....

if it's a one-way deal it's definitely a precursor to something else. what's the Leafs available capspace now?
- Gary_B.

I think it's 6.5ish ....with a 20 man roster - so 3 (Kadri, Fraser, Franson) to sign.

We can't sign our existing RFA's AND Ranger. Especially since Ranger is not likely to be playing for the minimum. We can't even afford the bridge deals as well as Ranger. Unless we trade Liles...who's actually better than Ranger.
- djamon

Not in this system, he's not. liles on most teams, yes. He's a Kaberle to Carlyle.

They can be over the cap for the summer. And waive someone before the season starts.
- Pecafan Fan

They have to be Cap compliant when Training Camp starts. And waiving still counts towards your Cap, unless they get picked up.

We can't sign our existing RFA's AND Ranger. Especially since Ranger is not likely to be playing for the minimum. We can't even afford the bridge deals as well as Ranger. Unless we trade Liles...who's actually better than Ranger.
- djamon

Ranger didn't play a single NHL game since October 2009.

He can't be asking for much money, can he?

If Phaneuf is gone, who eats up those minutes?
- WafflesAtACC

Franson gets added time (he avge'd 18 mins last season), Gunnarsson adds time (averaged 23) --> both get bumped to the 25 range
Gardiner gets increased minutes too.

not a chance. Leafs would be in big trouble without Phaneuf. he's still their best dman, overrated or not.
- Gary_B.

Guys who finish 11th in Norris voting are never over-rated.

They have to be Cap compliant when Training Camp starts. And waiving still counts towards your Cap, unless they get picked up.
- djamon

Not the first 900k if they pass thru waivers.

Ranger didn't play a single NHL game since October 2009.

He can't be asking for much money, can he?
- Pecafan Fan

He played 51 ahl games since then, and that's it. I'd be hard pressed to believe he got more than 1.2 max. (which would be an overpayment, due to circumstances). I'd have to figure 850k.

At least someone said it.

Yeah, Dion makes mistakes, yeah he's overpaid. But is he still a top 20 dman in the NHL? yes; and those do not grow on trees.
- jerseyleaf

I never said anything about wanting it to happen, just that it could.

The reason I brought it up is because Nonis specifically said that Phaneuf is available for trade.

Phaneufs salary is quite unmanageable and unlikely to come down.

Ranger didn't play a single NHL game since October 2009.

He can't be asking for much money, can he?
- Pecafan Fan

I assume it's a milly or less - gotta be. Especially if the rumours of him only being interested in staying close to T.O. are right.

I never said anything about wanting it to happen, just that it could.

The reason I brought it up is because Nonis specifically said that Phaneuf is available for trade.

Phaneufs salary is quite unmanageable and unlikely to come down.
- twiztedmike

wut?

if i'm Liles, i'm looking over my shoulders these days. guy is gonna get clubbed.
- Gary_B.

Leaf problem is finding a team that will take Liles.....then again miracles do happen(The Horcoff Miracle trade)

I never said anything about wanting it to happen, just that it could.

The reason I brought it up is because Nonis specifically said that Phaneuf is available for trade.

Phaneufs salary is quite unmanageable and unlikely to come down.
- twiztedmike

He didn't specifically say any player was available by name. He just said he'd listen to offers for anyone, and Phaneufs name had been brought up on occasion. Not to say that it was anything concrete

He played 51 ahl games since then, and that's it. I'd be hard pressed to believe he got more than 1.2 max. (which would be an overpayment, due to circumstances). I'd have to figure 850k.
- jerseyleaf

Well it's gotta be less than they give Fraser. That would be hard to justify.

I assume it's a milly or less - gotta be. Especially if the rumours of him only being interested in staying close to T.O. are right.
- The Law

so let's say 1 million.

Then Kadri at 3, franson at 2.5

Right - so if he can't beat out Holzer or Brennan for spot #7 or 8 do we care if he gets claimed on waivers. Waivers is irrelevant.
- The Law

Which is why I wonder why they would bother. Nonis has other things on his plate right now, he shouldn't be bothering trying to resuscitate Ranger's career.

Ranger
Gardiner
Phanuef
Gunnarson
Franson
Fraser
Liles
Brennan
Holzer
Blacker
Rielly

I sense a trade... please be Phaneuf
- mfreedman

why do you guys want to trade phaneuf so bad?