Pete V
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The issue is how are we going to stay under the cap in the beginning of the year with cally and hags out but not on ltir so we need 2 additional contracts up in the big club. - rangerdanger94
I was wrong. If they sign Zucarello for around $1.6 million per year, they will only have $1.7 million left in available cap space, not $2.7 million, which makes it even harder. IMO, I wouldn't be too comfortable if I were Brian Boyle or Taylor Pyatt. |
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I was wrong. If they sign Zucarello for around $1.6 million per year, they will only have $1.7 million left in available cap space, not $2.7 million, which makes it even harder. IMO, I wouldn't be too comfortable if I were Brian Boyle or Taylor Pyatt. - Pete V
it will be a tight squeeze for sure. |
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tomburton99
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I was wrong. If they sign Zucarello for around $1.6 million per year, they will only have $1.7 million left in available cap space, not $2.7 million, which makes it even harder. IMO, I wouldn't be too comfortable if I were Brian Boyle or Taylor Pyatt. - Pete V
I know Jimbo will disagree with me on this but in my mind Taylor Pyatt is a waste. He's slow, he barely scores and he even less physical than Boyle, while being on par with him in height and weight. I would like for a team like Dallas or Colorado to take him. |
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Pete V
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Location: Troy, MI Joined: 05.16.2007
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I know Jimbo will disagree with me on this but in my mind Taylor Pyatt is a waste. He's slow, he barely scores and he even less physical than Boyle, while being on par with him in height and weight. I would like for a team like Dallas or Colorado to take him. - tomburton99
If Zucc signs, I see one of Boyle or Pyatt being gone for the roster, because they simply can't have two guys on the fourth line making over $1.5 million a year. All else being equal, I would much rather have Boyle, because he is younger and more versatile, but by virtue of that, he also has the higher trade value (or is just simply easier to move in a trade in that they wouldn't have any issue trading him for something). |
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jimbro83
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Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY Joined: 12.25.2009
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it will be a tight squeeze for sure. - rangerdanger94
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jimbro83
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I know Jimbo will disagree with me on this but in my mind Taylor Pyatt is a waste. He's slow, he barely scores and he even less physical than Boyle, while being on par with him in height and weight. I would like for a team like Dallas or Colorado to take him. - tomburton99
I don't necessarily disagree, but I just think Pyatt and Vigneault have a relationship that will keep him around.
Personally I would not cry if they dumped Pyatt. |
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Pete V
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Location: Troy, MI Joined: 05.16.2007
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I don't necessarily disagree, but I just think Pyatt and Vigneault have a relationship that will keep him around.
Personally I would not cry if they dumped Pyatt. - jimbro83
Barring some unexpected trade of higher ticket guys, which I don't see happening, isn't it almost impossible that both Pyatt and Boyle remain? |
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Barring some unexpected trade of higher ticket guys, which I don't see happening, isn't it almost impossible that both Pyatt and Boyle remain? - Pete V
Who want them though? I mean the devils just unloaded tallinder who is a serviceable dman for literally nothing because no one was willing to trade for him or wanted him. I imagine the market for pyatt or boyle could be the same if not worse. |
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Pete V
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Location: Troy, MI Joined: 05.16.2007
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Who want them though? I mean the devils just unloaded tallinder who is a serviceable dman for literally nothing because no one was willing to trade for him or wanted him. I imagine the market for pyatt or boyle could be the same if not worse. - rangerdanger94
I don't think there would be much of a market for Pyatt. But, I disagree about Boyle. I think he could be moved, and I actually think the Rangers can acquire something of value in return for him. He's a big versatile guy that is good defensively, can kill penalties, and has plays well in the playoffs.
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Let's remember who this GM is and what type of players he prefers. He's always loved skill and he's always loved the tough guys. He's always chased the top-end skill guys like: Bure, Lindros, Jagr, etc. and also mixed in one of the league's toughest players into the lineup: Boogaard, Brashear, etc., while overpaying in some cases to get those guys.
I bring that up because if it comes down to Slats picking between Zucc and his skill and Pyatt and the things he brings to the table there is no way Pyatt remains in NY. That also applies to Boyle. Those guys are fine for what they are, bottom six guys with size who can contribute an odd goal here and there, but they aren't top heavyweights and they aren't blessed with high-end skill. One of those guys will be dealt IMO with Powe and Johnson starting in the minors.
Those moves will give the Rangers $4.3MM+ to re-sign Step and leave them with 13 F, 7 D and 2 G. to start the season. Now, if Cally and Hags miss the opening of the season leaving just 11 F they might demote Schultz bringing in another young F gambling that their six healthy D stay that way.
Take a guy like Kristo: He has a cap hit of $1.375M but only an $875,000 salary; the rest is in performance bonuses. I believe the bonus doesn't have to count against the cap until next year assuming he reaches those bonuses. If that is the case they could use him as the 12th F until Cally and Hags are healthy and still stay under the cap.
It won't be easy, no doubt, but they can do it and I do think Boyle or Pyatt will be moved. In my mind Pyatt is the guy I would move if I could get a 5th round pick. And if Boyle stays, don't be surprised to see Brassard play some wing with either Boyle or Moore playing the 3C. Moore has scored as many as 45 points in a season so he could in theory play that spot and contribute. |
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jimbro83
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Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY Joined: 12.25.2009
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Corey Masisak @cmasisak22 now
#NHLJets announce seven-year, $36 million deal for Zach Bogosian. That deserves a "wow." |
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I was wrong. If they sign Zucarello for around $1.6 million per year, they will only have $1.7 million left in available cap space, not $2.7 million, which makes it even harder. IMO, I wouldn't be too comfortable if I were Brian Boyle or Taylor Pyatt. - Pete V
When is Zuccs arbitration hearing? |
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Pete V
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Location: Troy, MI Joined: 05.16.2007
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Corey Masisak @cmasisak22 now
#NHLJets announce seven-year, $36 million deal for Zach Bogosian. That deserves a "wow." - jimbro83
An interesting player to watch next summer is Michael Del Zotto. If he has a good season, I doubt that he is going to be settling for a $2.5 million annually, because there are guys that are making way more than him that quite frankly aren't as accomplished. Next summer is going to be real interesting, because the accounts are coming due with a real good young defensive core. Don't think the Rangers are going to be able to keep everyone. |
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Pete V
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Location: Troy, MI Joined: 05.16.2007
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When is Zuccs arbitration hearing? - OLDSCHOOL#6
Wednesday. |
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jimbro83
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An interesting player to watch next summer is Michael Del Zotto. If he has a good season, I doubt that he is going to be settling for a $2.5 million annually, because there are guys that are making way more than him that quite frankly aren't as accomplished. Next summer is going to be real interesting, because the accounts are coming due with a real good young defensive core. Don't think the Rangers are going to be able to keep everyone. - Pete V
I like Bogosian, but that's stupid money for him
interesting, Bogosian made 2.5 million last year, just like Del Zotto will make this coming year.
No way Del Zotto will get more money than McDonagh though. |
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tomburton99
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Location: NYR distrust, NJ Joined: 07.13.2009
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Corey Masisak @cmasisak22 now
#NHLJets announce seven-year, $36 million deal for Zach Bogosian. That deserves a "wow." - jimbro83
Makes more than Edler, Bieksa, Mcdonagh, Shattenkirk, Voynov etc. Awful deal. |
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Pete V
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Location: Troy, MI Joined: 05.16.2007
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I like Bogosian, but that's stupid money for him 
interesting, Bogosian made 2.5 million last year, just like Del Zotto will make this coming year.
No way Del Zotto will get more money than McDonagh though. - jimbro83
If Del Zotto has the year that we want him to have, he'll make over $4 million a year. I think this year is the year that we find out who the real Michael Del Zotto is -- a talented but gaffe prone defensemen who is solid 4-5th defensemen, or something more than that. |
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Pete V
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Location: Troy, MI Joined: 05.16.2007
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Makes more than Edler, Bieksa, Mcdonagh, Shattenkirk, Voynov etc. Awful deal. - tomburton99
It's alot of money, but Bogosian is the guy that I think is really on the verge of busting out into one of the elite defensemen in the league. Just my gut feel. |
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Makes more than Edler, Bieksa, Mcdonagh, Shattenkirk, Voynov etc. Awful deal. - tomburton99
So Wheeler - six, $33.6 million, Bogosian- seven-$36 million, Little - five, $23.5 million, Winnipeg printing cash this offseason? |
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Pete V
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Location: Troy, MI Joined: 05.16.2007
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So Wheeler - six, $33.6 million, Bogosian- seven-$36 million, Little - five, $23.5 million, Winnipeg printing cash this offseason? - airjan23
They've gotten core players locked up long-term. Is the money a bit much? Maybe a little, but at the end of the day, I can't really argue with their approach. They overpaid a little to get their foundation set long term. And, they actually have Kane on a below market contract, I believe.
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jimbro83
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They've gotten core players locked up long-term. Is the money a bit much? Maybe a little, but at the end of the day, I can't really argue with their approach. They overpaid a little to get their foundation set long term. And, they actually have Kane on a below market contract, I believe. - Pete V
Winnipeg will never be an organization that will get people to sign there, they do need to overpay their own players to keep them happy.
It's literally minus 40 degrees there from December to March. |
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gkmkiller
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They've gotten core players locked up long-term. Is the money a bit much? Maybe a little, but at the end of the day, I can't really argue with their approach. They overpaid a little to get their foundation set long term. And, they actually have Kane on a below market contract, I believe. - Pete V
Core players on a roster that has failed to make the playoffs in how many years? At some point these guys have to step up and get this franchise into the postseason. Spending a lot of money to be sitting home in the spring instead of participating in playoff hockey. Otherwise these signings will backfire big time. |
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Core players on a roster that has failed to make the playoffs in how many years? At some point these guys have to step up and get this franchise into the postseason. Spending a lot of money to be sitting home in the spring instead of participating in playoff hockey. Otherwise these signings will backfire big time. - gkmkiller
I like Bogosian, but don't think he is a $5+ million a year a player. Understand he is coming off a bridge deal and could have been offered a big deal in the market, but don't view him as an "elite" d-man. You look at what McDonagh got, and granted, the Rangers for the first time did not use a bridge deal here, but is Bogosian worth more per year than him? What about Staal? Girardi? That said, look at this link and you could argue that several of these d-men aren't being paid what they should be. http://www.capgeek.com/comparables/?player_id=349 |
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Pete V
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Core players on a roster that has failed to make the playoffs in how many years? At some point these guys have to step up and get this franchise into the postseason. Spending a lot of money to be sitting home in the spring instead of participating in playoff hockey. Otherwise these signings will backfire big time. - gkmkiller
Personally, I think that Bogosian and Wheeler are two good pieces to build around, even if the money is a little high. I obviously also think that way about Kane who is signed long term. Little? Well, I am not a huge fan, and I think that signing was influenced by the fact that they have noone at the center ice position, especially after Bumistrov flew the coup.
Perhaps we could convince Richards to accept a trade to Winnipeg for Buff.  Jk. |
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Pete V
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Location: Troy, MI Joined: 05.16.2007
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I like Bogosian, but don't think he is a $5+ million a year a player. Understand he is coming off a bridge deal and could have been offered a big deal in the market, but don't view him as an "elite" d-man. You look at what McDonagh got, and granted, the Rangers for the first time did not use a bridge deal here, but is Bogosian worth more per year than him? What about Staal? Girardi? That said, look at this link and you could argue that several of these d-men aren't being paid what they should be. http://www.capgeek.com/comparables/?player_id=349 - airjan23
The Rangers contracts on defense really demonstrate how good of a job Slats has done keeping the cap hits on those guys manageable. He's done an absolute bang up job with those contracts, but Girardi and Staal, and to a lesser extent, Del Zotto are going to get paid on their next contracts. |
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