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OLDSCHOOL#6
New York Rangers
Joined: 10.14.2007

Jul 29 @ 5:30 PM ET
The Rangers contracts on defense really demonstrate how good of a job Slats has done keeping the cap hits on those guys manageable. He's done an absolute bang up job with those contracts, but Girardi and Staal, and to a lesser extent, Del Zotto are going to get paid on their next contracts.
- Pete V

Yes, Slats done a masterful job with these contracts. But I don't know about the 3 players you mentioned. This is a huge year for MDZ, if he regresses, his price will pretty much stay were it is. Staal has health questions, if he can regain his level, then yes, he will get his money. But, it's not without some question, Girardi may be the most interesting of all. How is Girardi viewed by other clubs? Is he the stay at home, crease clearer most GM's like? His first pass suffered big time under Torts, not to mention the toll blocking all those shots as taken on him. He deserves a payday no doubt, just don't know how big a payday it will be.
Jan Levine
New York Rangers
Joined: 09.16.2005

Jul 29 @ 5:31 PM ET
Personally, I think that Bogosian and Wheeler are two good pieces to build around, even if the money is a little high. I obviously also think that way about Kane who is signed long term. Little? Well, I am not a huge fan, and I think that signing was influenced by the fact that they have noone at the center ice position, especially after Bumistrov flew the coup.

Perhaps we could convince Richards to accept a trade to Winnipeg for Buff. Jk.

- Pete V

Buff in Times Square? Doors to MSG wouldn't be wide enough to get him through
Jan Levine
New York Rangers
Joined: 09.16.2005

Jul 29 @ 5:32 PM ET
Yes, Slates done a masterful job with these contracts. But I don't know about the 3 players you mentioned. This is a huge year for MDZ, if he regresses, his price will pretty much stay were it is. Staal has health questions, if he can regain his level, then yes, he will get his money. But, it's not without some question, Girardi may be the most interesting of all. How is Girardi viewed by other clubs? Is he the stay at home, crease clearer most GM's like? His first pass suffered big time under Torts, not to mention the toll blocking all those shots as taken on him. He deserves a payday no doubt, just don't know how big a payday it will be.
- OLDSCHOOL#6

Think Girardi is thought of as a defensive d-man, who excels at blocking shots but not as an all-around talent, as McDonagh is viewed.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Jul 29 @ 5:33 PM ET
Yes, Slats done a masterful job with these contracts. But I don't know about the 3 players you mentioned. This is a huge year for MDZ, if he regresses, his price will pretty much stay were it is. Staal has health questions, if he can regain his level, then yes, he will get his money. But, it's not without some question, Girardi may be the most interesting of all. How is Girardi viewed by other clubs? Is he the stay at home, crease clearer most GM's like? His first pass suffered big time under Torts, not to mention the toll blocking all those shots as taken on him. He deserves a payday no doubt, just don't know how big a payday it will be.
- OLDSCHOOL#6


on the open market, Dan Girardi could easily get 6 year deal between 30-36 million, especially with the cap bouncing back up next summer.
OLDSCHOOL#6
New York Rangers
Joined: 10.14.2007

Jul 29 @ 5:35 PM ET
on the open market, Dan Girardi could easily get 6 year deal between 30-36 million, especially with the cap bouncing back up next summer.
- jimbro83

Maybe, I'm just not sure, but that does seem reasonable.
Jan Levine
New York Rangers
Joined: 09.16.2005

Jul 29 @ 6:11 PM ET
on the open market, Dan Girardi could easily get 6 year deal between 30-36 million, especially with the cap bouncing back up next summer.
- jimbro83

29, wear and tear from Torts' style, unsure length and dollars will be there, could see shorter term for similar per year
gkmkiller
New York Rangers
Location: Oceanside, CA
Joined: 06.07.2009

Jul 29 @ 6:28 PM ET
29, wear and tear from Torts' style, unsure length and dollars will be there, could see shorter term for similar per year
- airjan23

Teams are notorious for overpaying for D. Look at Dennis Wideman last offseason. All it takes is one team to go overboard. I agree that I would be concerned with term but if I am the GM of an opposing team I'll get a chance to see how Girardi looks in a full season under AV. If he looks fresh by the end of the year I might feel more comfortable that a non-Torts style of play can keep Girardi productive a year or two longer so might be more comfortable going to six years. The AAV is probably about what Jimbo says. A lot of money and that's going to be an interesting call by Slats.
aecliptic
New York Rangers
Location: Vagabond
Joined: 06.17.2010

Jul 29 @ 6:43 PM ET
29, wear and tear from Torts' style, unsure length and dollars will be there, could see shorter term for similar per year
- airjan23


We will see what Girardi has under a different defensive style where its probably going to be more based on skating ability and cutting off the angles rather than crowding in front of Hank and blocking shots.

My opinion, I think Girardi is a decent skater at best, and I think he gets exposed some what by the better skating forwards in the league.
Jan Levine
New York Rangers
Joined: 09.16.2005

Jul 29 @ 6:44 PM ET
Teams are notorious for overpaying for D. Look at Dennis Wideman last offseason. All it takes is one team to go overboard. I agree that I would be concerned with term but if I am the GM of an opposing team I'll get a chance to see how Girardi looks in a full season under AV. If he looks fresh by the end of the year I might feel more comfortable that a non-Torts style of play can keep Girardi productive a year or two longer so might be more comfortable going to six years. The AAV is probably about what Jimbo says. A lot of money and that's going to be an interesting call by Slats.
- gkmkiller

Think Girardi will want to stay here if he can, if could get him four and 22, that would be nice.
cranford93
New York Rangers
Location: "For Whatever Reason"
Joined: 04.30.2007

Jul 29 @ 10:03 PM ET
So according to the Rangers website in a recent interview with Staal he says this summer is completely different because he isn't dealing with an injury, he says he's completely healthy although they don't make specific mention to the eye injury, but if he is healthy and the eye sight is coming back or back that's huge news for this season
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Jul 29 @ 10:23 PM ET
Corey Masisak ‏@cmasisak22 now
#NHLJets announce seven-year, $36 million deal for Zach Bogosian. That deserves a "wow."

- jimbro83

that's why i never care when people say "X's (gagner's/duchene's) recently signed contract will have an impact on Y's (stepan's) ongoing negotiations" because if it worked that way, mcdonagh's contract would force bogosian to be at 4 mil, IF THAT.

we should stop doubting sather when it comes to RFAs and just let him do his thing whether it takes all summer or not.
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Jul 29 @ 10:27 PM ET
Personally, I think that Bogosian and Wheeler are two good pieces to build around, even if the money is a little high. I obviously also think that way about Kane who is signed long term. Little? Well, I am not a huge fan, and I think that signing was influenced by the fact that they have noone at the center ice position, especially after Bumistrov flew the coup.

Perhaps we could convince Richards to accept a trade to Winnipeg for Buff. Jk.

- Pete V

i actually really like little. he's a total ranger killer.



rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Jul 29 @ 10:30 PM ET
29, wear and tear from Torts' style, unsure length and dollars will be there, could see shorter term for similar per year
- airjan23

i wonder if girardi would be willing to take a pay cut for more length. it's really his last chance at a good contract and he might want job security with more overall money but less AAV than more AAV and 2-3 less years.
tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

Jul 29 @ 10:50 PM ET
i actually really like little. he's a total ranger killer.




- rangerdanger94

Guys like him usually are. Obviously St. Louis is a great player, but he's another guy that always getting points the Rangers.
webleedblue
New York Rangers
Joined: 05.22.2013

Jul 30 @ 4:36 AM ET
that's why i've been saying that foligno for DZ trade, we will not be able to keep al our defenders next year and it'll give us cap relief than trade away zucc, pyatt and maybe boyle but i would rather keep him

phoenix needs a 2nd line left winger and bottom six help + they already know pyatt
let's say zucc and pyatt for a 2nd and 5th rounder
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Jul 30 @ 8:15 AM ET
that's why i've been saying that foligno for DZ trade, we will not be able to keep al our defenders next year and it'll give us cap relief than trade away zucc, pyatt and maybe boyle but i would rather keep him

phoenix needs a 2nd line left winger and bottom six help + they already know pyatt
let's say zucc and pyatt for a 2nd and 5th rounder

- webleedblue

And then we can do callahan + 1st + fast for patrick kane, and move stepan + 2018 1st + kreider for stamkos. Foligno - stammer - kane.

But in all seriousness, we already have a logjam at forwards. We have fast, miller, lindberg, hvrik, kristo and maybe a surprise prospect that are borderline nhl players being blocked by asham, powe, boyle, moore, and pyatt. Trading one of our top 4 dmen for another forward is pointless plus foligno really isn't that good (ive watched him a ton up at school in buffalo). Plus buffalo has a surplus of defensive prospects and wouldn't even want mdz.

Moving pyatt isn't as easy as we think. If we could've got a 5th for him, it would've been done already. I imagine the gm convo goes something like this "oh you want us to take pyatt off your hands? Okay well give u a 6th rounder for pyatt + 2nd rounder." Do you do it? Nope.
OLDSCHOOL#6
New York Rangers
Joined: 10.14.2007

Jul 30 @ 10:54 AM ET
I know there is still 24 hours before Zuccs arbitration hearing, but I find it interesting he would actually take the Rangers to the hearing. My sense is if he's not signed by meeting time, the Rangers will walk away.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Jul 30 @ 10:57 AM ET
I know there is still 24 hours before Zuccs arbitration hearing, but I find it interesting he would actually take the Rangers to the hearing. My sense is if he's not signed by meeting time, the Rangers will walk away.
- OLDSCHOOL#6


Old school, it's too late to walk away.

The new CBA now has a rule, any award below 3.5 million, the team cannot walk away.


Zuccarello is here next year.
OLDSCHOOL#6
New York Rangers
Joined: 10.14.2007

Jul 30 @ 11:01 AM ET
Old school, it's too late to walk away.

The new CBA now has a rule, any award below 3.5 million, the team cannot walk away.


Zuccarello is here next year.

- jimbro83

WOW!! Didn't know that thanks. Oh well, if he's awarded 2.0 it's gonna hurt.
Pete V
New York Rangers
Location: Troy, MI
Joined: 05.16.2007

Jul 30 @ 11:02 AM ET
Old school, it's too late to walk away.

The new CBA now has a rule, any award below 3.5 million, the team cannot walk away.


Zuccarello is here next year.

- jimbro83


Are they prevented from trading him for a period after the arbitration award?
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Jul 30 @ 11:02 AM ET
Are they prevented from trading him for a period after the arbitration award?
- Pete V


no, they can trade him
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Jul 30 @ 11:03 AM ET
Old school, it's too late to walk away.

The new CBA now has a rule, any award below 3.5 million, the team cannot walk away.


Zuccarello is here next year.

- jimbro83

We cant trade him either can we?
Pete V
New York Rangers
Location: Troy, MI
Joined: 05.16.2007

Jul 30 @ 11:04 AM ET
WOW!! Didn't know that thanks. Oh well, if he's awarded 2.0 it's gonna hurt.
- OLDSCHOOL#6


Makes you wonder what Slats has in the pipeline by way of roster moves, because no matter what Zucc is awarded, it's going to be tight. Again, I think it is virtual certainty that either Boyle or Pyatt will be gone. Also makes you wonder whether the Rangers really want Boyle to play the wing, or whether the acquisition of Moore ultimately will spell the end of Boyle's time as a Ranger.

In the end, the Rangers need more guys on entry level contracts filling roster spots.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Jul 30 @ 11:06 AM ET
Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger now
Mats Zuccarello has settled with the NYR -- 1 year @ $1,150,000

rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Jul 30 @ 11:11 AM ET
Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger now
Mats Zuccarello has settled with the NYR -- 1 year @ $1,150,000


- jimbro83

WOW. Beautiful deal.

Sather does it again.
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