I can see hank and cally being the first 2 to get extended before training camp even starts.
- rangerdanger94

Sather doesnt do that.

Sather doesnt do that.
- aecliptic

Not generally, but he probably will with those 2. Similar to how he broke his typical rfa track record with mcdonagh and maybe stepan.

Hank for sure will get extended asap.

I can see hank and cally being the first 2 to get extended before training camp even starts.
- rangerdanger94

Paying Cally almost $6 million a year is really going to hurt. It would be nice to get him and Girardi to take companion 6 year/30 million contracts, and just be done with them as well. Hell, I'm giving out money today!

I realize that Girardi is a point of debate around here, but IMO, when you give up a minutes eater like him that has played against everyone's top players the last few years, you're going to miss him and spend years trying to replace him. And, I don't think he was just a product of Torts. I think he is damn good hockey player, and has the type of warrior mentality that the Rangers need more, and not less of.

the biggest problem with Stepan and Brassard as our top two centers are that neither one of them is a good faceoff man.

For his career, Stepan has won 43% of his draws, and Brassard has won 45%
- jimbro83

That's why I think you'll see Moore and Boyle both stay at C and Brassard play wing to start with at least. Step was better last year (45.8%). Brassard won 52% of the draws he took with the Rangers; maybe he plays on Step's wing with Nash on the other side and can take some draws too. Just a thought.

Paying Cally almost $6 million a year is really going to hurt. It would be nice to get him and Girardi to take companion 6 year/30 million contracts, and just be done with them as well. Hell, I'm giving out money today!

I realize that Girardi is a point of debate around here, but IMO, when you give up a minutes eater like him that has played against everyone's top players the last few years, you're going to miss him and spend years trying to replace him. And, I don't think he was just a product of Torts. I think he is damn good hockey player, and has the type of warrior mentality that the Rangers need more, and not less of.
- Pete V

Agreed. I guess it comes down to whether or not mcilrath will pan out to be a top 4 dman. We could have mcd - staal, mcilrath - mdz, moore - stralman/sjkei in the future if girardi leaves. But that would be a big, huge loss on our depth that makes our defense so good.

That's why I think you'll see Moore and Boyle both stay at C and Brassard play wing to start with at least. Step was better last year (45.8%). Brassard won 52% of the draws he took with the Rangers; maybe he plays on Step's wing with Nash on the other side and can take some draws too. Just a thought.
- gkmkiller

I think brassard will stay center. He is so much more of a playmaker than a scoring winger.

Paying Cally almost $6 million a year is really going to hurt. It would be nice to get him and Girardi to take companion 6 year/30 million contracts, and just be done with them as well. Hell, I'm giving out money today!

I realize that Girardi is a point of debate around here, but IMO, when you give up a minutes eater like him that has played against everyone's top players the last few years, you're going to miss him and spend years trying to replace him. And, I don't think he was just a product of Torts. I think he is damn good hockey player, and has the type of warrior mentality that the Rangers need more, and not less of.
- Pete V

You wont see Cally getting 5m AAV, its going to be in the 5.5m to 5.75m range.

I think brassard will stay center. He is so much more of a playmaker than a scoring winger.
- rangerdanger94

Well he wouldnt be a scoring winger, he would be a playmaking winger for Stepan and Nash, but I dont see that happeneing.

Im kind of surprised that everyone is penciling in Moore right off the bat without seeing him on the ice. The guy hasnt played in a year, who knows what kind of rust he has on him.

No matter how we slice it, were in a tough situation with Stepan. Before we start figuring out how were going to arrange our opening day line ups, lets figure out how we will make it work against the cap.

Lets say we sign Stepan for 4m AAV. Even with Asham and Pyatt sent down, we have 11 forward starters and 580k to bring someone up. Were between a rock and a hard place.
- aecliptic

I was simply pointing out the lack of depth on the wing with Cally and Hags expected to miss the start of the season and suggesting Brassard could fill in short term. Notice I didn't do any stupid line combos as others have done well before now.

I have no doubt that Slats has this figured out already. I am in no way, shape or form worried about it. It will get done with no drastic deletions from the roster. It might be tight at the begining of the season but as the year progresses the available cap space will go up to the point we should be able to make a key addition at the trade deadline if necessary and the opportunity arises.

You wont see Cally getting 5m AAV, its going to be in the 5.5m to 5.75m range.
- aecliptic

Yeaaaa hopefully he takes a hometown discount.

Yeaaaa hopefully he takes a hometown discount.
- rangerdanger94

I think that is your hometown discount because Im sure there will be teams lining up to give him more than that.

I was simply pointing out the lack of depth on the wing with Cally and Hags expected to miss the start of the season and suggesting Brassard could fill in short term. Notice I didn't do any stupid line combos as others have done well before now.

I have no doubt that Slats has this figured out already. I am in no way, shape or form worried about it. It will get done with no drastic deletions from the roster. It might be tight at the begining of the season but as the year progresses the available cap space will go up to the point we should be able to make a key addition at the trade deadline if necessary and the opportunity arises.
- gkmkiller

The cap works in a funny way. Isnt it basically game checks added up game by game? So technically on paper we can be over it but after step and hags get back, we can send asham and powe down and we'd be fine in the longrun? Kind of how pitt added a bunch of salary at the deadline and was over on paper but in actuality was under?

I think brassard will stay center. He is so much more of a playmaker than a scoring winger.
- rangerdanger94

He's the same player at C or wing meaning he can still make plays on the wing and set up shooters. The lack of shooters/goal scorers isn't changed by keeping Brassard at the pivot. My point was that if Hags and/or Cally miss substantial time to start the season I'd rather see Brassard as a top-six winger than as a 3C. To open I'm sure Step and Richie will be 1C and 2C so it makes sense to at least put a skilled player such as Brassard into the top six as long as the Rangers are without Cally and Hags as opposed to him skating with plugs like Boyle or Pyatt on the third line. Once they return the team should have enough quality offensive players to roll three decent lines that can score so moving Brassard back to 3C makes sense then.

I think that is your hometown discount because Im sure there will be teams lining up to give him more than that.
- aecliptic

How much did brown get? I say cally gets that minus 1 mil to 500k, depending on how generous he's feeling.

The cap works in a funny way. Isnt it basically game checks added up game by game? So technically on paper we can be over it but after step and hags get back, we can send asham and powe down and we'd be fine in the longrun? Kind of how pitt added a bunch of salary at the deadline and was over on paper but in actuality was under?
- rangerdanger94

Yes, something like that. Not exactly sure how it works but definitely available cap space increases as the season goes along. It is kind of a weird way to calculate it.

Yes, something like that. Not exactly sure how it works but definitely available cap space increases as the season goes along. It is kind of a weird way to calculate it.
- gkmkiller

Yea so if we have 14 forwards up and the cap is 2 mil over, thats what it would be if those 2 forwards were up for the entire season. So if we send them down 10 games in, we could be fine and not even need to move anyone.

How much did brown get? I say cally gets that minus 1 mil to 500k, depending on how generous he's feeling.
- rangerdanger94

8 years, 47 million.

8 years, 47 million.
- tomburton99

Callahan is going to be 29 next summer. I realize his value to the team, but man, that is going to be a dangerous contract that the Rangers have to give out to him. Again, Callahan and Girardi are my two favorite players on the team, but Cally anywhere in Brown's neighborhood scares the beejesus out of me.

Yes, something like that. Not exactly sure how it works but definitely available cap space increases as the season goes along. It is kind of a weird way to calculate it.
- gkmkiller

you have to look at it as a per day basis.. so you have 64mil/year in cap space or whatever it is, that boils down to 64mil/280days? something of that nature and do the same thing with your contracts. So each day, whoever is on your cap, eats away but if you trade for a player say at the deadline. So i look at it this way:

your cap charge is only the portion of the contract that is left, so if your cap hit was 2.8mil and you traded them at deadline (approx 20% of the season left) the team acquiring them only needs 560k in space available because that is all they are charged with for the rest of the season.

I could be wrong but thats how it works for my understanding and thats why the pens gained salary

Callahan is going to be 29 next summer. I realize his value to the team, but man, that is going to be a dangerous contract that the Rangers have to give out to him. Again, Callahan and Girardi are my two favorite players on the team, but Cally anywhere in Brown's neighborhood scares the beejesus out of me.
- Pete V

If he does what we all want him to do, lead the Rangers to a championship then how do you deny him of a contract like that.

If he does what we all want him to do, lead the Rangers to a championship then how do you deny him of a contract like that.
- tomburton99

If he leads the Rangers to a championship this year, he can have 8 years at 7 million a year for all I care. Just so we're clear on that.

Callahan is going to be 29 next summer. I realize his value to the team, but man, that is going to be a dangerous contract that the Rangers have to give out to him. Again, Callahan and Girardi are my two favorite players on the team, but Cally anywhere in Brown's neighborhood scares the beejesus out of me.
- Pete V

it would be nice to sign both Girardi and Callahan signed to contracts that don't take them beyond 35 years old.

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