Your logic and reasoning has no place in this Carle-esque debate.
- jmatchett383

Its a sad world when logic and reasoning has no place anywhere in life. Sigh

A1 and A2 are just subsets of a traditional stat. They were available prior to the advanced stat movement, if people cared to keep track.

If everything that's listed on behindthenet is by definition an advanced stat, are games-played, position and player numbers therefore advanced as well? Of course not.
- Tomahawk

Assist = traditional stat
Secondary assist = advanced stat

That's what we're dealing with here. Not even worth the energy to type a response.

Assists are given out to the last two players to touch the puck before it goes in the net. Whether they added any value to the scoring chance or not.

It's an archaic way of tabulating points that should be upgraded just as the level of play has increased since the stats inception, as well as how the game has evolved into more of a 5-man unit than previously.

Assist totals nowadays do not split up the offensive contributions evenly anymore, and to think otherwise is ignorant imo.
- bradleyc4

No, it's given to the last two players who touched the puck before the goal scorer got the puck. It's not archaic. In most instances, they're the two players who had the most influence on getting the puck to the goal scorer. And sometimes all they did is make a simple routine pass to a player. And you know how we know it's not archaic? The best playmakes in the League, the best passers of the puck, have the highest assist totals.
You'd have to expand on how assist totals do not split up the offensive contributions evenly anymore.

Thanks for the catch on Giroux's stat line -- was looking at wrong line. I fixed it.

Regarding primary vs. secondary assists, there are plenty of goals scored where the main playmaker in a goal sequence IS the guy who gets the secondary assist (or even someone who gets no assist at all because two other guys happened to touch the puck in between him and the goal being scored).

Example 1: Giroux draws two D-men to him and passes to an open Timonen at the point. The goalie makes the initial save but Hartnell immediately jams in the rebound. Giroux clearly was the one who was primary playmaker but he gets the secondary assist.

Example 2: Same initial sequence as above but now lets say the goalie makes a second save but Voracek forces the puck over the line as it sits in the crease. Now Giroux gets no assist.
- bmeltzer

I wonder how different scoring records would be if players that had a secondary assist on thier own goal was recorded... Like Player A passes the puck to Player B, who then passes back to Player A who scores the goal.

I could only imagine how much higher Lemieux's and Gretzky's numbers would be.

Moving the puck effectively is of minimal value, Bruno Gervais is just as good at is as Kimmo Timonen or Chris Pronger. Those assists are trivial.

The only REAL assists are when a player feeds another player for a one-timer or a tap-in. That's where the real money is.
- jmatchett383

Yeah, therefore:

A2 (2nd assist) = nill

OTA (one-time assist) = 2 points
TIA (tap-in assist) = 3 points

They should take points away for 3rd-assists and beyond... punish those useless puck-movers!

- Crimsoninja

Ugh. If Forsberg could have just stayed healthy for a few more years and played with Richards and Carter as they entered their prime...

A1 and A2 are just subsets of a traditional stat. They were available prior to the advanced stat movement, if people cared to keep track.

If everything that's listed on behindthenet is by definition an advanced stat, are games-played, position and player numbers therefore advanced as well? Of course not.
- Tomahawk

You can't break down assists per 60 without minutes played. And games played. You also need to have the names of the players on there. Are you seriously going to argue that? A1 and A2 and breaking it down /60 are inventions of the advanced stats guru's. If you can show me where A1 and A2 is kept on the official stats of NHL.com, then you'll have a point.

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- BulliesPhan87

Small signing

Clarke at 4 huh?


And Brian Leetch played for the Rangers sir.
- mayorofangrytown

For play making ability, yea. If your talking about the guy that could make the most briliant moves on the ice... I would put those 3 ahead...


And your going to bust my balls over a typo? Really?

Assist = traditional stat
Secondary assist = advanced stat

That's what we're dealing with here. Not even worth the energy to type a response.
- bradleyc4

Assist = traditional stat
Secondary assist = advanced stat

That's what we're dealing with here. Not even worth the energy to type a response.
- bradleyc4

That's incorrect. In traditional stats, a primary and secondary assist is the same. Both are recorded on the official League stats as an assist, and are equal. Advanced stats websites broke them down in primary and secondary. And broke it down even further to /60.
You tried to make the false argument that a primary assist is worth more then a secondary assist.

Party over in Tim P's new blog starting in 5 minutes.

Yeah, therefore:

A2 (2nd assist) = nill

OTA (one-time assist) = 2 points
TIA (tap-in assist) = 3 points

They should take points away for 3rd-assists and beyond... punish those useless puck-movers!
- Tomahawk

That's a good point. Also, if the players are out on a powerplay and don't get an goal or assist, they should have their season point totals reset to zero.

Easily the best Giroux set up pass I can recall was when he dished a back hand no look pass to a wide open Mike Richards for a slam dunk. It was against the Rags.. there was a pile up to the right of King Henrik, and G some how managed to dig the puck out, create a bit of space, and send it to Richies tape, without looking.. and on the back hand..

He also had a very pretty no look to Nodl that same season..

Regardless of real time stats and advance statistics and all of that, I'd rather watch the damn player than look an a excel spread sheet.
- GirouxForTheShow

YEEEEESSS!!!

/loudPlanktonvoice

Is Giroux a better passer than McNabb?

Is Giroux a better passer than McNabb?
- jmatchett383

Both pass the puck near the feet of their intended recipients

Easily the best Giroux set up pass I can recall was when he dished a back hand no look pass to a wide open Mike Richards for a slam dunk. It was against the Rags.. there was a pile up to the right of King Henrik, and G some how managed to dig the puck out, create a bit of space, and it to Richies tape, without looking.. and on the back hand..

He also had a very pretty no look to Nodl that same season..
- jak521

Party over in Tim P's new blog starting in 5 minutes.
- MBFlyerfan

I'm mad that I just wasted 1 minute reading that thing. Who writes an article about how poorly the players agent negotiated?

- aightwebang17

Im assuming that it.. I cant get youtube at work, so thanks for posting it for me

- aightwebang17

Primary assist, 2 points.

You can't break down assists per 60 without minutes played. And games played. You also need to have the names of the players on there. Are you seriously going to argue that? A1 and A2 and breaking it down /60 are inventions of the advanced stats guru's. If you can show me where A1 and A2 is kept on the official stats of NHL.com, then you'll have a point.
- MJL

Notice the two separate assist columns:
http://www.nhl.com/scores...rts/20122013/GS030416.HTM

And NHL.com keeps track of Assists/Game. Assist/60 is just a normalized version of the same stat.

Easily the best Giroux set up pass I can recall was when he dished a back hand no look pass to a wide open Mike Richards for a slam dunk. It was against the Rags.. there was a pile up to the right of King Henrik, and G some how managed to dig the puck out, create a bit of space, and send it to Richies tape, without looking.. and on the back hand..

He also had a very pretty no look to Nodl that same season..
- jak521

Interestingly, both primary assists.

Primary assist, 2 points.
- jmatchett383

Leino got the secondary and he did NOTHING! This whole system is (frank)ed up

Primary assist, 2 points.
- jmatchett383

NLA (no-look assist) = ALL THE POINTS/GAME OVER