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- Don'tForgetTocchet

Behindthenet gets all their raw data from NHL game reports/summaries... if the NHL wasn't separating primaries from secondaries in their data keeping to begin with, tracking them would be impossible. If you want to blame somebody for the A1/A2 distinction, blame the league.
- Tomahawk

The League doesn't make a distinction. Both assists are recorded as simply an assist in the official NHL stats. It's the advanced stats guys who have tried to make a case that a primary assist is better then a secondary. And that was the genesis of this entire discussion that began on page 1.
The issue isn't the raw data. It's the misuse of it in some cases.

The League doesn't make a distinction. Both assists are recorded as simply an assist in the official NHL stats. It's the advanced stats guys who have tried to make a case that a primary assist is better then a secondary. And that was the genesis of this entire discussion that began on page 1.
The issue isn't the raw data. It's the misuse of it in some cases.
- MJL

Importance of most data is in the eye of the beholder.

*cough*

*hack*

*hairball*

The League doesn't make a distinction. Both assists are recorded as simply an assist in the official NHL stats. It's the advanced stats guys who have tried to make a case that a primary assist is better then a secondary. And that was the genesis of this entire discussion that began on page 1.
The issue isn't the raw data. It's the misuse of it in some cases.
- MJL

So one person wondering out loud about primary assists on an HB thread is somehow grounds for bashing an entire community of hockey fans? Talk about inappropriate use of arbitrary evidence.

I personally put more stock in a secondary goal than either a primary or secondary assist.

Having secondary assists = primary assists in judging a player's "playmaking" ability is foolish imo.

But the NHL says they're equal, so let's just follow protocol and we'll all be wiser.
- bradleyc4

Some times the secondary assist is even more crucial in the goal than the primary. It all depends on the way the play develops.

SO yes, lets just follow the protocol.

Some times the secondary assist is even more crucial in the goal than the primary. It all depends on the way the play develops.

SO yes, lets just follow the protocol.

- MBFlyerfan

To be fair though.. That would be a Play Starter... Not a Play Maker...

I could have played defense with "The Great One" and had hundreds of assists. Doesn't make me suck any less than I do.

It is funny to see, that when advanced stats fit a persons agenda, they preach how great they are. When they don't, they're dismissed as useless information.

So one person wondering out loud about primary assists on an HB thread is somehow grounds for bashing an entire community of hockey fans? Talk about inappropriate use of arbitrary evidence.
- Tomahawk

So you think I formed that opinion based on one poster's comments? That is an arbitrary statement. Nor is there any bashing of an entire community of hockey fans. What is being discussed is the belief that a primary assist is better then a secondary assist. And that belief has been cultivated by the Advanced stat guru's. Time and again, I've read by numerous hockey fans using secondary assists as a means to lessen the impact of a player who has a high total off assists. It's not based on one post. Any idea what was behind why one poster was wondering about primary assists?

People who get assists are communists.

People who get assists are communists.
- jmatchett383

This off season has sucked more than any other in recent history. I dunno... maybe hockey is starting to bore me as I get older. Even the games are boring as crap anymore.

So you think I formed that opinion based on one poster's comments? That is an arbitrary statement. Nor is there any bashing of an entire community of hockey fans. What is being discussed is the belief that a primary assist is better then a secondary assist. And that belief has been cultivated by the Advanced stat guru's. Time and again, I've read by numerous hockey fans using secondary assists as a means to lessen the impact of a player who has a high total off assists. It's not based on one post. Any idea what was behind why one poster was wondering about primary assists?
- MJL

Nobody was even discussing advanced stats until you decided to take your random pot-shot.

Assists are as traditional of a stat as you can get, and people were debating primaries vs secondaries long before Gabriel Desjardins and Co. started doing their thing.

People who get assists are communists.
- jmatchett383

No, Communist would be to not award a goal to a single person, but all 6 players on the ice get 1/6 of a goal...

I wonder how many people have stopped coming on this site because you.
- Flyersgod

MJL is one of the reasons that I keep coming to this site.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend..... This should be fun is someone can escalate this...

Man that Giroux pass is Foppa like.
- opeth_pa

i get kinda ticked off when i think about losing a half season of giroux's prime and voracek's breakout season

The enemy of my enemy is my friend..... This should be fun is someone can escalate this...
- youarewrong

So we're Capitals and Bruins fans?

Assists are for the gays

MJL is one of the reasons that I keep coming to this site.
- AHLTraveler

No-offense, but I hardly ever see you post here...

Assists are for the gays
- jmatchett383

GAY = Goal + Assist + YAY.

(proof of this being that after every goal, a bunch of sweaty men hold each other excitedly)

So one person wondering out loud about primary assists on an HB thread is somehow grounds for bashing an entire community of hockey fans? Talk about inappropriate use of arbitrary evidence.
- Tomahawk

and you notice that guy started all the trouble and then just left?

what a troll

Assists are for the gays
- jmatchett383

they better be careful trying to go to the olympics in sochi

No-offense, but I hardly ever see you post here...
- youarewrong

he travels a lot, says it right in the username

So you think I formed that opinion based on one poster's comments? That is an arbitrary statement. Nor is there any bashing of an entire community of hockey fans. What is being discussed is the belief that a primary assist is better then a secondary assist. And that belief has been cultivated by the Advanced stat guru's. Time and again, I've read by numerous hockey fans using secondary assists as a means to lessen the impact of a player who has a high total off assists. It's not based on one post. Any idea what was behind why one poster was wondering about primary assists?
- MJL

Matt Carle

and you notice that guy started all the trouble and then just left?

what a troll
- Don'tForgetTocchet