Just when you think Clouts threads couldn't get any more (frank)ed up he somehow finds a way to totally redeem himself.
- Lahey

You asked my thoughts on 9/11, so here goes:

9/11 sucked.

As has been shown countless times in history, there's always going to be mad men who do evil stuff designed to kill innocent people. Horrible stuff like 9/11 is going to happen again and again. Wish it wouldn't, but there's no way to stop it.

Some people believe Bush had something to do with 9/11, but I think the guy was lazy, not evil. You saw him sitting there reading "My Pet Goat". The guy had no idea what in the hell was going on or what to do about it. But no matter how good or bad of a president he was, 9/11 was going to happen sooner or later. Insane yet brilliant terrorist leader; brainwashed soldiers; all sorts of plans on how to terrorize, be it crash planes, blow up buses or derail trains.

Did America deserve 9/11? Of course not. What kind of sick freak would think that? History is filled with all sorts of examples of unfair: Germany didn't deserve all the financial repercussions after World War I. Europe and the Jewish people didn't deserve what Germany did to them in World War II. Everyone owes Vietnam and Korea an apology. All the stuff the Romans did. Or what Japan did to the Chinese before World War II. Or Genghis Kahn. Or Napoleon. If I tried to list every group/leader/culture that wronged some poor innocent victim, I'd be here all day. It's a huge list. The US probably didn't belong in Iraq either time they went.

Terrorism occurs in situations where people with little to no power try to gain huge power over others in a very short amount of time. If you look at something like the recent Boston Marathon, two insane people gathered world-wide attention for days. Weeks. Most of us are born into and leave life making almost no mark or difference. I'm not trying to be depressing. The reality is, life is personally defined for almost all of us. We matter to the people around us, but not to the grand scheme of things. There's nothing wrong with that. But these two nutcases found a way to be immortal, as disturbing as it was. No one will ever forget them.

For some people, becoming immortal, good or bad, is the most important thing in life. And unfortunately, life will show that the more a human gains power over others, the more nuts they become. All walks of life. All cultures. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

So I guess my message in all of this is, by continuing to make 9/11 a relevant discussion, you're giving the terrorists, who are all dead by now, exactly what they wanted.

Terrorists who seek revenge on the US for political decisions can't get it, because you can't compare crashing a plane into a building to feelings of anger over supposedly disrespectful behavior by the US towards religious sites in Saudi Arabia (which was, according to historical accounts, what turned Bin Laden against the US, even though he was at one time a member of the CIA and an agent for the US in the Middle East). There is absolutely no way to equate these two situations.

What Osama Bin Laden was striving for was to poison the collective psyche of western culture. To make it so people would be mired in the horrible present instead of looking forward to everything good and possible humanity could become. Of course, it won't. This is not to say humans are inherently evil. The problem is, there's no right moral answer, and therefore, it is impossible to get all humans from all cultures to work together towards a common goal. Trust me on this, as I live right in the middle of Canada's oil sands. There are extremely different opinions here as to what's right and what's wrong. If people within one little part of the world can't agree on morality, or the importance of moral behavior vs. money...

There's always going to be angry people. People with too easy access to weapons, and not enough access to psychiatry. We live in a culture where mental illness is still a dirty word, and seeking help is a sign of weakness. If you want to point the figure to what's wrong with this picture, start there. Until we wrap our collective minds around the realness of mental illness and why we need to stop treating it like it's taboo, we need to get use to terrorism.

9/11, of course, is bigger, grander, and uglier situation. We will never forget, but we'll never heal until we move on either.

I hear the moon landing was fake to.

Oh, and pyramids at the bottom of the Bermuda Triangle.

YouTube it. When a video comes up saying as much, it'll be true for sure.
- joel878

Moon landing was absolutely real, the evidence supports it. There's a difference between idiots who think everything is a conspiracy, and people who actually agree with what the evidence supports.... You're just an idiot who only believes what he's told, despite what the evidence says.

Yup.

Set aside all the other evidence (mountains of it)


The pentagon is just a deal breaker for me.
- robin_steele264

And that's the epitome of a conspiracy dullard. Focus on one questionable aspect or angle and refuse to see the mountain of irrefutable facts that is the forest for the trees. In an event like 9/11 there are always anomalies. Not everything can be easily explained. There is always going to be conflicting details no matter what angle you choose to look at.

Having doubts and questions is reasonable, but to take one instance of unexplained phenomena and base one whole conclusion on it alone is short sighted.

I'll agree that there are a lot of questions that have either been only partially answered or theorized away with no answer, but there is too much factual evidence that leads to the more conventional conclusion that terrorists were in fact solely responsible.

Thank you to everyone that participated in this comments section so far, I was bored at work and this has filled my day nicely! Cheers

You asked my thoughts on 9/11, so here goes:

9/11 sucked.

As has been shown countless times in history, there's always going to be mad men who do evil stuff designed to kill innocent people. Horrible stuff like 9/11 is going to happen again and again. Wish it wouldn't, but there's no way to stop it.

Some people believe Bush had something to do with 9/11, but I think the guy was lazy, not evil. You saw him sitting there reading "My Pet Goat". The guy had no idea what in the hell was going on or what to do about it. But no matter how good or bad of a president he was, 9/11 was going to happen sooner or later. Insane yet brilliant terrorist leader; brainwashed soldiers; all sorts of plans on how to terrorize, be it crash planes, blow up buses or derail trains.

Did America deserve 9/11? Of course not. What kind of sick freak would think that? History is filled with all sorts of examples of unfair: Germany didn't deserve all the financial repercussions after World War I. Europe and the Jewish people didn't deserve what Germany did to them in World War II. Everyone owes Vietnam and Korea an apology. All the stuff the Romans did. Or what Japan did to the Chinese before World War II. Or Genghis Kahn. Or Napoleon. If I tried to list every group/leader/culture that wronged some poor innocent victim, I'd be here all day. It's a huge list. The US probably didn't belong in Iraq either time they went.

Terrorism occurs in situations where people with little to no power try to gain huge power over others in a very short amount of time. If you look at something like the recent Boston Marathon, two insane people gathered world-wide attention for days. Weeks. Most of us are born into and leave life making almost no mark or difference. I'm not trying to be depressing. The reality is, life is personally defined for almost all of us. We matter to the people around us, but not to the grand scheme of things. There's nothing wrong with that. But these two nutcases found a way to be immortal, as disturbing as it was. No one will ever forget them.

For some people, becoming immortal, good or bad, is the most important thing in life. And unfortunately, life will show that the more a human gains power over others, the more nuts they become. All walks of life. All cultures. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

So I guess my message in all of this is, by continuing to make 9/11 a relevant discussion, you're giving the terrorists, who are all dead by now, exactly what they wanted.

Terrorist who seek revenge on the US for political decisions can't get it, because you can't compare crashing a plane into a building to feelings of anger over supposedly disrespectful behavior by the US towards religious sites in Saudi Arabia (which was, according to historical accounts, what turned Bin Laden against the US, even though he was at one time a member of the CIA and an agent for the US in the Middle East). There is absolutely no way to equate these two situations.

What Osama Bin Laden was striving for was to poison the collective psyche of western culture. To make it so people would be mired in the horrible present instead of looking forward to everything good and possible humanity could become. Of course, it won't. This is not to say humans are inherently evil. The problem is, there's no right moral answer, and therefore, it is impossible to get all humans from all cultures to work together towards a common goal. Trust me on this, as I live right in the middle of Canada's oil sands. There are extremely different opinions here as to what's right and what's wrong. If people within one little part of the world can't agree on morality, or the importance of moral behavior vs. money...

There's always going to be angry people. People with too easy access to weapons, and not enough access to psychiatry. We live in a culture where mental illness is still a dirty word, and seeking help is a sign of weakness. If you want to point the figure to what's wrong with this picture, start there. Until we wrap our collective minds around the realness of mental illness and why we need to stop treating it like it's taboo, we need to get use to terrorism.

9/11, of course, is bigger, grander, and uglier situation. We will never forget, but we'll never heal either until we move on.
- Maxbone

Its over. Thanks for coming out folks.

And that's the epitome of a conspiracy dullard. Focus on one questionable aspect or angle and refuse to see the mountain of irrefutable facts that is the forest for the trees. In an event like 9/11 there are always anomalies. Not everything can be easily explained. There is always going to be conflicting details no matter what angle you choose to look at.

Having doubts and questions is reasonable, but to take one instance of unexplained phenomena and base one whole conclusion on it alone is short sighted.

I'll agree that there are a lot of questions that have either been only partially answered or theorized away with no answer, but there is too much factual evidence that leads to the more conventional conclusion that terrorists were in fact solely responsible.
- MnGump

this guy was an American hero....

Please just watch this video, if you don't actually do anything to research the topic, just at least watch this video....

http://consciouslifenews....bert-stubblebine/1145271/

Moon landing was absolutely real, the evidence supports it. There's a difference between idiots who think everything is a conspiracy, and people who actually agree with what the evidence supports.... You're just an idiot who only believes what he's told, despite what the evidence says.
- SpoiledByOil

Yes. Calling someone an idiot will make your hockey forum evidence on terrorist attacks real.

It's called perspective. If you can't grasp that, and you're still willing to call someone an idiot, the irony speaks for itself.

I'm sure there are websites where your (frank)ing conspiracy theories belong...

You asked my thoughts on 9/11, so here goes:

9/11 sucked.

As has been shown countless times in history, there's always going to be mad men who do evil stuff designed to kill innocent people. Horrible stuff like 9/11 is going to happen again and again. Wish it wouldn't, but there's no way to stop it.

Some people believe Bush had something to do with 9/11, but I think the guy was lazy, not evil. You saw him sitting there reading "My Pet Goat". The guy had no idea what in the hell was going on or what to do about it. But no matter how good or bad of a president he was, 9/11 was going to happen sooner or later. Insane yet brilliant terrorist leader; brainwashed soldiers; all sorts of plans on how to terrorize, be it crash planes, blow up buses or derail trains.
- Maxbone

George Bush had everything to do with 9/11.

The mans Grand-father funded Hitlers entire operation for christ sakes. Facts. Not disputable.

As for the touching on Osama Bin Laden, the man was a (frank)ing FBI agent. Went by Tim Osman. Also facts.

Al Qaeda isn't real "terrorist organization" and high level military personnel have declassified this information for the sole purpose of disputing any involvement similar the involvment the US has painted for it's retard citizens. Al Qaeda was started by the U.S government, and Bin Laden trained most of the mother (frank)ers. Also, facts.

Facts aside Clouts, you are dead on. I'm not snapping at you. The jist of what you said is still dead on.

I hear the moon landing was fake to.

Oh, and pyramids at the bottom of the Bermuda Triangle.

YouTube it. When a video comes up saying as much, it'll be true for sure.
- joel878

Anyone with half a brain can see through your simple tactic.

You asked my thoughts on 9/11, so here goes:

9/11 sucked.

As has been shown countless times in history, there's always going to be mad men who do evil stuff designed to kill innocent people. Horrible stuff like 9/11 is going to happen again and again. Wish it wouldn't, but there's no way to stop it.

Some people believe Bush had something to do with 9/11, but I think the guy was lazy, not evil. You saw him sitting there reading "My Pet Goat". The guy had no idea what in the hell was going on or what to do about it. But no matter how good or bad of a president he was, 9/11 was going to happen sooner or later. Insane yet brilliant terrorist leader; brainwashed soldiers; all sorts of plans on how to terrorize, be it crash planes, blow up buses or derail trains.

Did America deserve 9/11? Of course not. What kind of sick freak would think that? History is filled with all sorts of examples of unfair: Germany didn't deserve all the financial repercussions after World War I. Europe and the Jewish people didn't deserve what Germany did to them in World War II. Everyone owes Vietnam and Korea an apology. All the stuff the Romans did. Or what Japan did to the Chinese before World War II. Or Genghis Kahn. Or Napoleon. If I tried to list every group/leader/culture that wronged some poor innocent victim, I'd be here all day. It's a huge list. The US probably didn't belong in Iraq either time they went.

Terrorism occurs in situations where people with little to no power try to gain huge power over others in a very short amount of time. If you look at something like the recent Boston Marathon, two insane people gathered world-wide attention for days. Weeks. Most of us are born into and leave life making almost no mark or difference. I'm not trying to be depressing. The reality is, life is personally defined for almost all of us. We matter to the people around us, but not to the grand scheme of things. There's nothing wrong with that. But these two nutcases found a way to be immortal, as disturbing as it was. No one will ever forget them.

For some people, becoming immortal, good or bad, is the most important thing in life. And unfortunately, life will show that the more a human gains power over others, the more nuts they become. All walks of life. All cultures. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

So I guess my message in all of this is, by continuing to make 9/11 a relevant discussion, you're giving the terrorists, who are all dead by now, exactly what they wanted.

Terrorists who seek revenge on the US for political decisions can't get it, because you can't compare crashing a plane into a building to feelings of anger over supposedly disrespectful behavior by the US towards religious sites in Saudi Arabia (which was, according to historical accounts, what turned Bin Laden against the US, even though he was at one time a member of the CIA and an agent for the US in the Middle East). There is absolutely no way to equate these two situations.

What Osama Bin Laden was striving for was to poison the collective psyche of western culture. To make it so people would be mired in the horrible present instead of looking forward to everything good and possible humanity could become. Of course, it won't. This is not to say humans are inherently evil. The problem is, there's no right moral answer, and therefore, it is impossible to get all humans from all cultures to work together towards a common goal. Trust me on this, as I live right in the middle of Canada's oil sands. There are extremely different opinions here as to what's right and what's wrong. If people within one little part of the world can't agree on morality, or the importance of moral behavior vs. money...

There's always going to be angry people. People with too easy access to weapons, and not enough access to psychiatry. We live in a culture where mental illness is still a dirty word, and seeking help is a sign of weakness. If you want to point the figure to what's wrong with this picture, start there. Until we wrap our collective minds around the realness of mental illness and why we need to stop treating it like it's taboo, we need to get use to terrorism.

9/11, of course, is bigger, grander, and uglier situation. We will never forget, but we'll never heal either until we move on either.
- Maxbone

the biggest problem in the world today is hands down religion. Superstitious bullpoop written by a bunch of half literate goat farmers thousands of years ago that had no explanations for anything around them.

"Those who are able to see beyond the shadows and lies of their culture will never be understood, let alone believed, by the masses." - Plato

And that's the epitome of a conspiracy dullard. Focus on one questionable aspect or angle and refuse to see the mountain of irrefutable facts that is the forest for the trees. In an event like 9/11 there are always anomalies. Not everything can be easily explained. There is always going to be conflicting details no matter what angle you choose to look at.

Having doubts and questions is reasonable, but to take one instance of unexplained phenomena and base one whole conclusion on it alone is short sighted.

I'll agree that there are a lot of questions that have either been only partially answered or theorized away with no answer, but there is too much factual evidence that leads to the more conventional conclusion that terrorists were in fact solely responsible.
- MnGump

The mountain of facts I set aside bolster my point.

the biggest problem in the world today is hands down religion. Superstitious bullpoop written by a bunch of half literate goat farmers thousands of years ago that had no explanations for anything around them.
- SpoiledByOil

Yes and human greed.

Anyone with half a brain can see through your simple tactic.
- robin_steele264

What did it to me is how the physics of the towers falling.

Now I'm no physicist. I study kinetics and anatomy. My understanding of Math doesn't go much further than basic algebra/geometry/calculus.

But after researching and trying to understand it all, I can without a shadow of a doubt say those planes did not cause those towers to fall. It's physically impossible.

Never once has it happened in the history of the world. Somehow it happened twice that day.
- mochoson

Im a dual major in structural engineering and construction management however I'm not an expert in how buildings collapse but steel bends easily when under heat. Jet fuel burns at an extremely high temperature. As the gas was burning and falling through the building those structural steel members bend tremendously causing rapid collapse. The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) proved this theory, look it up.

As for wtc 7
http://www.popularmechani...ring/architecture/4278874

The mountain of facts I set aside bolster my point.
- robin_steele264

It's called Cognitive Dissonance. Shatter someones reality, and their brain is naturally going to dispute the information. Doesn't matter how many facts support it. If it destroys a comfortable paradigm that an individual holds dearly, they will refuse it at all costs.

It's like telling a die-hard christian that there is absolutely no concrete evidence Jesus ever existed. The man supposedly performed miracles and was renowned, yet none of the actual literature that has survived mentions him. Not one book, letter, nothing.

The only proof we have of Jesus is the bible.

You asked my thoughts on 9/11, so here goes:

9/11 sucked.

As has been shown countless times in history, there's always going to be mad men who do evil stuff designed to kill innocent people. Horrible stuff like 9/11 is going to happen again and again. Wish it wouldn't, but there's no way to stop it.

Some people believe Bush had something to do with 9/11, but I think the guy was lazy, not evil. You saw him sitting there reading "My Pet Goat". The guy had no idea what in the hell was going on or what to do about it. But no matter how good or bad of a president he was, 9/11 was going to happen sooner or later. Insane yet brilliant terrorist leader; brainwashed soldiers; all sorts of plans on how to terrorize, be it crash planes, blow up buses or derail trains.

Did America deserve 9/11? Of course not. What kind of sick freak would think that? History is filled with all sorts of examples of unfair: Germany didn't deserve all the financial repercussions after World War I. Europe and the Jewish people didn't deserve what Germany did to them in World War II. Everyone owes Vietnam and Korea an apology. All the stuff the Romans did. Or what Japan did to the Chinese before World War II. Or Genghis Kahn. Or Napoleon. If I tried to list every group/leader/culture that wronged some poor innocent victim, I'd be here all day. It's a huge list. The US probably didn't belong in Iraq either time they went.

Terrorism occurs in situations where people with little to no power try to gain huge power over others in a very short amount of time. If you look at something like the recent Boston Marathon, two insane people gathered world-wide attention for days. Weeks. Most of us are born into and leave life making almost no mark or difference. I'm not trying to be depressing. The reality is, life is personally defined for almost all of us. We matter to the people around us, but not to the grand scheme of things. There's nothing wrong with that. But these two nutcases found a way to be immortal, as disturbing as it was. No one will ever forget them.

For some people, becoming immortal, good or bad, is the most important thing in life. And unfortunately, life will show that the more a human gains power over others, the more nuts they become. All walks of life. All cultures. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

So I guess my message in all of this is, by continuing to make 9/11 a relevant discussion, you're giving the terrorists, who are all dead by now, exactly what they wanted.

Terrorists who seek revenge on the US for political decisions can't get it, because you can't compare crashing a plane into a building to feelings of anger over supposedly disrespectful behavior by the US towards religious sites in Saudi Arabia (which was, according to historical accounts, what turned Bin Laden against the US, even though he was at one time a member of the CIA and an agent for the US in the Middle East). There is absolutely no way to equate these two situations.

What Osama Bin Laden was striving for was to poison the collective psyche of western culture. To make it so people would be mired in the horrible present instead of looking forward to everything good and possible humanity could become. Of course, it won't. This is not to say humans are inherently evil. The problem is, there's no right moral answer, and therefore, it is impossible to get all humans from all cultures to work together towards a common goal. Trust me on this, as I live right in the middle of Canada's oil sands. There are extremely different opinions here as to what's right and what's wrong. If people within one little part of the world can't agree on morality, or the importance of moral behavior vs. money...

There's always going to be angry people. People with too easy access to weapons, and not enough access to psychiatry. We live in a culture where mental illness is still a dirty word, and seeking help is a sign of weakness. If you want to point the figure to what's wrong with this picture, start there. Until we wrap our collective minds around the realness of mental illness and why we need to stop treating it like it's taboo, we need to get use to terrorism.

9/11, of course, is bigger, grander, and uglier situation. We will never forget, but we'll never heal until we move on either.
- Maxbone

A blog within a blog?

Chalk that down as two I didn't read.

Hug?

Share it with your (frank)ing therapist pal.
- joel878

I don't need a therapist, you're happy living ignorance that's fine with me, I actually like to educate myself on events that happen around the world, not just eat the bullpoop I'm spoon fed from shotty "news" agencies. America tells you exactly what you want to hear, whether you take it at face value is up to you, I prefer non biased sources of information.

(frank) dis history class

(frank) dis history class
- Killbot460

Next is going to be "how to not point out to people you are black by the way you type".

Anyone that doesn't think 9/11 was the U.S Government is welcome to explain to me how exactly Building 7 fell that day.

Or where none of you aware a third building fell that day? Google it. Youtube it. You can watch the building fall. It was not hit by a plane at any point. It literally looks like a regular demolition.

Oh, and let's not forget the news reported this building had fell a good 20 minutes before it actually fell. It's in the (frank)ing background of the news-cast, still standing, as a female reporter is explaining how it's no longer there.

These are facts.
- mochoson

Ever see the pic of the tree that didn't fall from being burnt from jet fuel apparently stronger than the twin towers

Im a dual major in structural engineering and construction management however I'm not an expert in how buildings collapse but steel bends easily when under heat. Jet fuel burns at an extremely high temperature. As the gas was burning and falling through the building those structural steel members bend tremendously causing rapid collapse. The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) proved this theory, look it up.

As for wtc 7
http://www.popularmechani...ring/architecture/4278874
- Dgmilazz

If you actually believe any of that garbage, I feel very bad for you. And I mean no disrespect by that.

There is literally a coalition of engineers that have gathered together regarding 9/11. They are hell bent on finding answers, with there premise being the information you've just presented me is wrong. They have mentioned this article in particular.

This is a group of over a 1,000 engineers who have spent their entire lives in the field, all agreeing that the information you claim to be valid is actually false.

I'm not an engineer, I can only go by what another expert says.

edit: Since 9/11, just about anything that has the word "National" in front of it is basically bullpoop. You learn how to filter through the nonsense after awhile.

It's called Cognitive Dissonance. Shatter someones reality, and their brain is naturally going to dispute the information. Doesn't matter how many facts support it. If it destroys a comfortable paradigm that an individual holds dearly, they will refuse it at all costs.

It's like telling a die-hard christian that there is absolutely no concrete evidence Jesus ever existed. The man supposedly performed miracles and was renowned, yet none of the actual literature that has survived mentions him. Not one book, letter, nothing.

The only proof we have of Jesus is the bible.
- mochoson

but but, jesus rose from his tomb 3 days after he died, cause you know most people back in the day who were tortured and crucified were buried in their very own tomb, individual tombs were used on nobodies and royalty alike!

(frank) dis history class
- Killbot460

As an International History Major, I agree.


LOL!