I don't need a therapist, you're happy living ignorance that's fine with me, I actually like to educate myself on events that happen around the world, not just eat the bullpoop I'm spoon fed from shotty "news" agencies. America tells you exactly what you want to hear, whether you take it at face value is up to you, I prefer non biased sources of information.
- SpoiledByOil

Love how not buying into your bullpoop theories is ignorance in your mind.

Sir, you are in the minority.

What you just described? Some refer to it as serial killer training.

As an International History Major, I agree.


LOL!
- AdamFrench

What year did the Berlin wall come down?

Im a dual major in structural engineering and construction management however I'm not an expert in how buildings collapse but steel bends easily when under heat. Jet fuel burns at an extremely high temperature. As the gas was burning and falling through the building those structural steel members bend tremendously causing rapid collapse. The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) proved this theory, look it up.

As for wtc 7
http://www.popularmechani...ring/architecture/4278874
- Dgmilazz

Steel melts at 2750F yes? Jet fuel burns up to 1500F.. so basically just over half of what it would of taken to melt the steel, that to you is enough to cause complete "controlled" collapse? I hope you don't design any buildings in my city.

Im a dual major in structural engineering and construction management however I'm not an expert in how buildings collapse but steel bends easily when under heat. Jet fuel burns at an extremely high temperature. As the gas was burning and falling through the building those structural steel members bend tremendously causing rapid collapse. The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) proved this theory, look it up.

As for wtc 7
http://www.popularmechani...ring/architecture/4278874
- Dgmilazz

It's no use, didn't you see the link Machoson showed me where a whole 2000 engineers and architects are collecting money from people to prove all the other engineers are liars!! Those ones must be the only ones telling the truth.

Link for reference : www.ae911truth.org

If you actually believe any of that garbage, I feel very bad for you. And I mean no disrespect by that.

There is literally a coalition of engineers that have gathered together regarding 9/11. They are hell bent on finding answers, with there premise being the information you've just presented me is wrong. They have mentioned this article in particular.

This is a group of over a 1,000 engineers who have spent their entire lives in the field, all agreeing that the information you claim to be valid is actually false.

I'm not an engineer, I can only go by what another expert says.

edit: Since 9/11, just about anything that has the word "National" in front of it is basically bullpoop. You learn how to filter through the nonsense after awhile.
- mochoson

These guys


http://www.ae911truth.org

Love how not buying into your bullpoop theories is ignorance in your mind.

Sir, you are in the minority.

What you just described? Some refer to it as serial killer training.
- joel878

billions of people believe in religion, all knowing theirs is right. So by your reasoning the religion with the most followers is the one that must be right? Cool story, ignorance really is bliss.

the biggest problem in the world today is hands down religion. Superstitious bullpoop written by a bunch of half literate goat farmers thousands of years ago that had no explanations for anything around them.
- SpoiledByOil

True....religion is good as it gives people an outlet and hope. But it is also bad because it segregates people.

The REAL problem is that nobody cares for their fellow man any more...selfishness causes people to only think about themselves, and that's where it all breaks down.

If you actually believe any of that garbage, I feel very bad for you. And I mean no disrespect by that.

There is literally a coalition of engineers that have gathered together regarding 9/11. They are hell bent on finding answers, with there premise being the information you've just presented me is wrong. They have mentioned this article in particular.

This is a group of over a 1,000 engineers who have spent their entire lives in the field, all agreeing that the information you claim to be valid is actually false.

I'm not an engineer, I can only go by what another expert says.

edit: Since 9/11, just about anything that has the word "National" in front of it is basically bullpoop. You learn how to filter through the nonsense after awhile.
- mochoson

Well hows this one best friends dad was a fire fighter in 911 who saved countless peoples lives and saw the 2nd plane hit the tower. This was absoluetly caused by a plane highjacking to think otherwise is rediculas. I find it disrespectful for people to tell me that some of my loved ones died at the hands of some conspiracy theory. Read all the internet bullpoop you want.

True....religion is good as it gives people an outlet and hope. But it is also bad because is segregates people.

The REAL problem is that nobody cares for their fellow man any more...selfishness causes people to only think about themselves, and that's where it all breaks down.
- The-O-G

I cared about you until you accused me of not caring.

Steel melts at 2750F yes? Jet fuel burns up to 1500F.. so basically just over half of what it would of taken to melt the steel, that to you is enough to cause complete "controlled" collapse? I hope you don't design any buildings in my city.
- SpoiledByOil

You ever see the shows on control demo and how much effort it takes to get building collapse into them selves?

True....religion is good as it gives people an outlet and hope. But it is also bad because it segregates people.

The REAL problem is that nobody cares for their fellow man any more...selfishness causes people to only think about themselves, and that's where it all breaks down.
- The-O-G

this is true, the world is (frank)ed up... All I know is I'm sure glad I live in Canada.

I don't need a therapist, you're happy living ignorance that's fine with me, I actually like to educate myself on events that happen around the world, not just eat the bullpoop I'm spoon fed from shotty "news" agencies. America tells you exactly what you want to hear, whether you take it at face value is up to you, I prefer non biased sources of information.
- SpoiledByOil

I admire your resolve. But there is really no such thing as unbiased sources. Even first hand experience is biased. Scientific study tries to eliminate bias but has a propensity for failure. The beat we can hope for is to take the left with the right, the good with the bad, the clear and the obscure and try to find the middle ground. The conspiracy theories have truth, the government stories have truth. What good is a lie if it contains no truth. I have often found the best action is to fence sit. Be open. Be tolerant. Objectivity is rare and I fear I would not know if it stood in front of me. These are the problems in bridging gaps in ideas and lifestyle. I feel that so long as we root in one set of ideas, we are missing the point which as Clouts outlined is that 9/11 was abhorrable and the United States of America have yet to truly recover from it (in my view).

I'm an atheist who is adamant on understanding what about religion I am disagreeing with. Perhaps we can find common ground by looking for it rather than by attempting to convince othersthey are right.

Sorry for the novel.

I cared about you until you accused me of not caring.
- Lahey

See! It's a vicious cycle!!!

dot

Steel melts at 2750F yes? Jet fuel burns up to 1500F.. so basically just over half of what it would of taken to melt the steel, that to you is enough to cause complete "controlled" collapse? I hope you don't design any buildings in my city.
- SpoiledByOil

Well actually like I said earlier steel is soft at about 1000 degrees, it has under 50% of its structural integrity at this point.

French you need help?

Well hows this one best friends dad was a fire fighter in 911 who saved countless peoples lives and saw the 2nd plane hit the tower. This was absoluetly caused by a plane highjacking to think otherwise is rediculas. I find it disrespectful for people to tell me that some of my loved ones died at the hands of some conspiracy theory. Read all the internet bullpoop you want.
- Dgmilazz

Nothing to do with disrespect. RIP those who died unjustly.


Just many people don't buy the story given to us.

It's no use, didn't you see the link Machoson showed me where a whole 2000 engineers and architects are collecting money from people to prove all the other engineers are liars!! Those ones must be the only ones telling the truth.

Link for reference : www.ae911truth.org
- classicT

Let's ignore the ENTIRE WEBSITE, which has a wealth of useful information, and strictly point out that you can DONATE to help their cause.

They use donations to help spread their information. It's a non-profit organization. It's not like you have to pay a fee to use the (frank)ing site.

And this is exactly why our country has been an absolute poop show the last decade: people like you who would rather point and laugh than actually challenge something and ask questions.

Let's not give the information a chance, let's just be content with everything that goes on around us. Why ask questions when you can just believe EVERYTHING your'e told.

You ever see the shows on control demo and how much effort it takes to get building collapse into them selves?
- Yeti1181

Yea it's not easy, it's very hard to do and a lot can go wrong even in a controlled environment. But yea, it's completely believable that the then two tallest buildings in the world collapsed in a controlled way from a plane hitting them, makes perfect sense.

this is true, the world is (frank)ed up... All I know is I'm sure glad I live in Canada.
- SpoiledByOil

It's true, so am I! Truth is though Canada isn't perfect either. All it takes is a few a$$holes and everyone hates each other.

That being said, just when you think everyone sucks, someone does something to make you realize that's not true.

Yea it's not easy, it's very hard to do and a lot can go wrong even in a controlled environment. But yea, it's completely believable that the then two tallest buildings in the world collapsed in a controlled way from a plane hitting them, makes perfect sense.
- SpoiledByOil

And a 3rd one from a fire

Couturier's been a 3C at 18/19. Plays really tough minutes and is likely capable of being a great 2C IMO. Victim of the depth chart in PHI
- TheNugeIsHuge[/

If he keeps his pace of 4 g 15 point 46games with a -8, he won't be a 20 y/0 3 line centre for very long.

I admire your resolve. But there is really no such thing as unbiased sources. Even first hand experience is biased. Scientific study tries to eliminate bias but has a propensity for failure. The beat we can hope for is to take the left with the right, the good with the bad, the clear and the obscure and try to find the middle ground. The conspiracy theories have truth, the government stories have truth. What good is a lie if it contains no truth. I have often found the best action is to fence sit. Be open. Be tolerant. Objectivity is rare and I fear I would not know if it stood in front of me. These are the problems in bridging gaps in ideas and lifestyle. I feel that so long as we root in one set of ideas, we are missing the point which as Clouts outlined is that 9/11 was abhorrable and the United States of America have yet to truly recover from it (in my view).

I'm an atheist who is adamant on understanding what about religion I am disagreeing with. Perhaps we can find common ground by looking for it rather than by attempting to convince othersthey are right.

Sorry for the novel.
- braidonh

you're right, that's a bad way to put it. What I was trying to say is you can't just listen to your local news, you have to cross reference as many sources as you can and see what adds up and makes sense in your own head. The storey fed to the public was absolutely a lie in my eyes, without a shadow of a doubt.

Well hows this one best friends dad was a fire fighter in 911 who saved countless peoples lives and saw the 2nd plane hit the tower. This was absoluetly caused by a plane highjacking to think otherwise is rediculas. I find it disrespectful for people to tell me that some of my loved ones died at the hands of some conspiracy theory. Read all the internet bullpoop you want.
- Dgmilazz

I mean no disrespect friend, I'm not saying a plane didn't hit anything. We all saw it with our own eyes.

The story we are being told as to how it all went down though, is bullpoop. Why is it ridiculous? What's so ridiculous about not believing a story that makes absolutely no sense.

NO ONE will dispute that what happened that day was one of the worst events in all of human history. Countless lives lost for the sake of greed.

My friend, the people you claim I am disrespecting is exactly why I am passionate about this issue. I refuse to believe the story we've been told, and never will.

Those peoples families deserve to know what really happened. Those families deserve justice. All 3,000+ victims who were senselessly murdered deserve it.

What year did the Berlin wall come down?
- Lahey

Never, it is still up. The whole video montage was the US government trying to prove it ended Communism, the USSR is still functioning hale and healthy, but the sheep think it's dead.