The 9/11 conspiracy theories tend to come from right wing nut jobs.

But let's not split hairs: a nut job is a nut job.

Like our Flyers friend from Ajax.
- Atomic Wedgie

Haven't seen that at all. Always witnessed the nutty leftist bringing them to light. Ajax?

^this is the same guy that thinks the moon landing is fake and aliens built the pyramids
- DarcyTucker16

Actually I normally don't buy into any conspiracy crap, but the evidence surrounding the 9/11 stuff just doesn't line up at all with the general story that was fed to the public.

No, not at all. Do the research if you're curious. There is an ABUNDANCE of contradictory evidence, as well as anomalies with the official story, the detection of military grade thermite at the tower sites, literally man, I could go on forever. I feel absolutely terribly sorry for you if you're an American that believes everything CNN and Fox tells you... And to be clear, Moore is (frank)ing idiot.
- Flyers_V88

Dude, maybe now is a good time to stop what it is your doing. I'm starting to feel a little embarassed for you.

Worst trade in the last five years by far but i have to say the Clarkson contract is brutal. The guy will be in therapy for the rest of his life by the second year of that contract after he doesn't live up to it. He's not that good. To put it in perspective he's getting paid just as much as Tavares with one year less on his term
- Cptmjl

That's apples and oranges.

One was UFA.

One was RFA.

Not the same.

The 9/11 conspiracy theories tend to come from right wing nut jobs.

But let's not split hairs: a nut job is a nut job.

Like our Flyers friend from Ajax.
- Atomic Wedgie

Left wing actually

to put it in perspective hes getting paid half as much as kovalchuk but actually playing games ... see what i did there :D
- DarcyTucker16

I actually like Clarkson but when i heard his demands I lost interest and was hoping Snow would if there was any there to begin with? I don't think there are too many upset Devils fans with him not being resigned at that price. With that said who knows? Maybe he'll live up to it?

Two Gems I read today

1 - No I wouldn't buyout Hemsky I'd almost extend him 3-5 years around 3-3.2mil.

2 - IMO in 5 years Franson could be one of the best d-men in the league.

That's apples and oranges.

One was UFA.

One was RFA.

Not the same.
- Atomic Wedgie

We'll agree to disagree i guess. FA=overpayment. I get it. Doesn't change the validity of a players true value IMO

This blog demonstrated te one glaring hole in your game, Cloutier - you don't understand the value of defensemen at all. Evaluation is terrible.

Voynov's deal is a damn STEAL, and Bogo's is fair. The guy is getting better positionally every year, and is physical monster out there. His offense is very respectable, in case you didn't research (you didn't research), Bogosian has been on pace to score within the top 30 D the last two seasons if not for a couple injuries - As in, basically keeping pace with Drew Doughty in points per game since 2011. He eats up important minutes, rarely hurting the team, and would immediately become the best defenceman Edmonton has had since Pronger. 5 mill will look like a bargain compared to Shea Weber in two years for this guy.

Meanwhile, you're lauding PK Subban with praise, whose game has more holes than a prairie dog city, with his only advantage over Bogo being his PP skills, and talking up the defense in columbus? Bobrovsky is the defense in columbus, wisniewsky and johnson are not inspiring figures at the top of the depth chart.

You want Phoenix to trade Yandle, one of the league's few bonafide #1 defensemen, and you think NJ and SJ have no defense at all, despite both having FAR more capable Top 4's than edmonton, who you laughably claim has a glut of NHL defensemen (no, they have three, and a bunch of scrubs who wouldn't sniff the NHL on a good team):

NJ - Larsson, Greene, Zidlicky, Salvador = average top 4
SJ- Vlasic, Boyle, Stuart, Demers = Good top 4
Edmonton - J Schultz, Ference, Smid, ? = Two top 4 D, one bottom pairing.

Two Gems I read today

1 - No I wouldn't buyout Hemsky I'd almost extend him 3-5 years around 3-3.2mil.

2 - IMO in 5 years Franson could be one of the best d-men in the league.
- Lahey

its the aliens man

Disagree with three Devils comment. They are very solid in depth and their defense lies in prospects like Gelinas, Urbom, Severson, Santini, etc. There main problem is that they don't have that one player that puts them over the top. That may be found in Henrique or Reid Boucher although unlikely.
Second, even though it makes sense in every way, I don't think the Blackhawks will win again. I feel like Crawford's glove will haunt them.

Actually I normally don't buy into any conspiracy crap, but the evidence surrounding the 9/11 stuff just doesn't line up at all with the general story that was fed to the public.
- robin_steele264

Sure, I can see where the evidence of 1000's of people in the NY city/Manhatten area as well as survivors from inside the buildings and not to mention the countless media, public and private video clips taken that show planes flying into those towers is nothing but a "story" that was fed to the public.

Great point.

Correction, Nurse as well. It just pisses me off, regardless of Cloutier's article or not, that the Oil swindled 3 first overall picks and they still suck!? Like it's the team's coaching and management that need to be looked at, every other team (Chicago, Pitts, etc) who have had a couple of picks are all powerhouses now and their changes took place in literally a couple of seasons... What's going on in Edmonton? Seriously?
- Flyers_V88

I would have to disagree with this. As for Pitts people have to remember that Crosby and Malkin are generational talents. Also they started in 2002 drafting in the 1-5 range with (Whitney, Fleury, Malkin, Crosby and Staal) and didn't win until 08-09. So it took 5 years of drafting 1-5 and then 3 years to win the cup. Within that time they added key players as well as having Crosby and Malkin.

As for Chi most people just think of Toews 06 and Kane 07 and how quickly they won 09-10 after drafting them. But you have to go back farther then that to one of the most important Blackhawk Duncan Keith. 02 - Keith; 03 - Byfuglien, Crawford, Seabrook; 04 - Brouwer, Bickell, Bolland; 05 - Hjalmarsson. So over 6 years of drafting and then 3 years to win the cup. Within that time they added key players as well.

As for the Oilers I would say the official rebuild started with Hall 2010. It is no big secret that the Oilers drafting in the past has been very subpar but I would go back as far as 07 with Gagner as a player that can have an impact on the future of the team as well with Eberle in 08. So 07 - Gagner; 08 - Eberle; 10 - Hall; 11 - RNH, Klefbom?; 12 - Yakupov; 13 - Nurse? So thats the same amount of years of drafting as Chi with 2 big exceptions. Chi drafted a lot more NHl players and they managed to draft their top 2 d and goalie early and forwards later. Edm is the reverse with their D and it takes time for D to develop. Also another thing to note is it is harder for Edm to bring in UFA's compared to Pitts and Chi. So by these 2 teams track records in 3 years we should win the cup I don't think in 3 more seasons Edmonton is winning the cup but I think they should be a threat for it.

..and most right-wing nutjobs were heavily against Bush and his mass upscaling of the federal government. They don't walk party lines..that's why they're considered fringe.


Why the (frank) are you guys talking about this on hockeybuzz.
- Blackstrom2

It happens from time to time

The 9/11 conspiracy theories tend to come from right wing nut jobs.

But let's not split hairs: a nut job is a nut job.

Like our Flyers friend from Ajax.
- Atomic Wedgie

I love how on Children's hospital the one guy thought it was 9/12 because he grandfathers watch was never wrong, he then looked at his 1990 motorolla smartphone and the app told him differently.

I just can't though. I look at the Coyotes, and yes, they're being run by the league, but by default. As well, the Oilers are still a large fan-base where there is profitability. In Phoenix, lets be real, no one gives a poop and they make the NHL no money. I just find it remarkably hard to believe it happens 3 years in a row, when it doesn't happen in ANY other professional league with the same type of drafting systems based on season success. You guys may buy it, I don't. I won't be convinced otherwise, and I'm sure none of you will. So, lets agree to disagree.
- Flyers_V88

Dude, they finished last 2 of 3 years. THat's why.

in the NBA the 1st overall pick tends to make your team better, making it hard to finish last 2 years in a row.

NHL doesn't work that way. 1 player doesn't immediately make the team better the next season.

its the aliens man
- DarcyTucker16

To clarify, both were posing as Oiler fans and have been for awhile. Wasn't some crazy leaf fan.

I think both teams are happy with the way it played out. With OV Caps got a great player with a personality that brought fans to the game. We got Malkin and already had Sid so he could just stay out of the lime light which was good for him.
- dbell646

It would've been interesting if the Caps took Malkin and The Penguins took OV, imagine watching Crosby and OV on the same line.

The 9/11 conspiracy theories tend to come from right wing nut jobs.

But let's not split hairs: a nut job is a nut job.

Like our Flyers friend from Ajax.
- Atomic Wedgie

Think you mean left wing nut jobs.

You seem to be forgetting about Filip Forsberg and Seth Jones, who will be their faces for the future along side Weber and Rinne. They are already in the midst of a rebuild on the fly, Weber and Rinne aren't going anywhere. They could easily make the playoffs with all of the role players they already have under contract in addition to their emerging young stars.
- TheJerseyDevil1

Hornqvist, Wilson and Josi are severely under-appreciated.

Sure, I can see where the evidence of 1000's of people in the NY city/Manhatten area as well as survivors from inside the buildings and not to mention the countless media, public and private video clips taken that show planes flying into those towers is nothing but a "story" that was fed to the public.

Great point.
- MnGump

Watch the movie 'Zeitgeist' and examine the evidence shown. You can look it all up too.


I used to have to same reactions as you but after really lookin at the evidence I changed my mind.


I don't buy the media version of the story at all.

Haven't seen that at all. Always witnessed the nutty leftist bringing them to light. Ajax?
- Cptmjl

The general narrative I've always heard is this was a secret government operation - blah blah blah - to increase power and scope of government.

That's a right-wing nutjob narrative.

Meanwhile, you're lauding PK Subban with praise, whose game has more holes than a prairie dog city, with his only advantage over Bogo being his PP skills
- TommyDeVito

...and you sir, are an expert. What poise, what prose, what poop!

We'll agree to disagree i guess. FA=overpayment. I get it. Doesn't change the validity of a players true value IMO
- Cptmjl

But nobody is arguing that.

100% of Leafs fans would take Tavares over Clarkson.

We weren't given that option.

Look at every single player taken in the top 5 picks, playing on a contract signed as a RFA. They are all grossly underpaid.

It's the nature of the beast.

Two Gems I read today

1 - No I wouldn't buyout Hemsky I'd almost extend him 3-5 years around 3-3.2mil.

2 - IMO in 5 years Franson could be one of the best d-men in the league.
- Lahey

I think each of these has about the same probability of happening